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    Which is the best type of wire for RTiA9

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    There's many to choose from, how much do you want to spend? How many feet do you need?

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    I don't know maybe 25 feet for both and for the price I don't have anything in my head I just want to see what people on the forum think which is the best and after i'm gonna make a choice. Also I would like to know which type of gauge
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    http://www.mitcables.com/available-o...ker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

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    Nicolas,

    Pretty broad question there my friend, wire comes in many flavors that only your ears can judge. Budget cables, mid level, expensive and ubber expensive. As a good quality, good sounding, reasonably priced cable goes, you'd do yourself fine with Signal cable or Blue Jeans cable to start off with. When your wallet allows, move up to any of 40+ different cable companies like Audioquest, MIT, Morrow, Kimber, and the list can go on. Check out Audiogon. com for some good prices too.

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    There is no definitive "best" of anything. There are way too many variables involved. The "best" you can hope for is to find something that works well in your system. You can then say it's the "best" for you until you find something you think is better !!!!

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    I use DH Labs Q-10 signature.
    A mid level cost with a Hi Quality sound.
    I purchased it direct from DH Labs in the raw and cut and terminated it myself to save a few bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    http://www.mitcables.com/available-o...ker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

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    His speakers cost less than that. Maybe if he had just spent $10,000 on a pair of speakers then maybe he would benefit from these.

    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables IMO. Any of these should be fine for your speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HTguru1982 View Post
    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables.
    That is an interesting idea. I wonder if lower cost speakers have untapped potential that better cables can reveal. If so then the money isn't wasted since the current system is now better, and the foundation is in place for future upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    http://www.mitcables.com/available-o...ker-cable.html

    This is what I would choose based on your general criteria. I own the 8' shotgun S3's and they are fantastic.

    H9
    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables () won't even cover it. Well done, H9!

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    Quote Originally Posted by teekay0007 View Post
    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables () won't even cover it. Well done, H9!
    Mit has many lines that vary in price, not all their cables are super expensive.

    I can never understand these cable threads. It's either monoprice or you don't need super expensive cables.....nothing inbetween. There are hundreds of cable companies offering all sorts to fit anyone's wallet.

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    Maybe check the signatures of other members here to get an idea of what others are using as a guide. There is no "best" cable, only a cable that suits your ears and compliments your gear. Signal cable is a great place to start on your cable journey and if you tell Frank over there your a Polk member, he's likely to throw you a discount too. Good luck to you and congrats on the speakers.

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    Some midgrade suggestions off the top of my head:

    SignalCable (we get a discount as Polk members)
    Blue Jeans Cable
    Kimber Kable 4VS
    Audioquest Type 4
    DouglasConnection (forum member here who makes custom cables)
    the list goes on and on

    I look at it this way. Take the cost of your speakers and put at in cables at least worth 10% of that to start with. The suggestions above are by no means super highly priced but they ARE better than monoprice. Do yourself a favor and try em out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teekay0007 View Post
    Yeah, this sounds great! I bet he jumps right on it. For the lengths the OP is asking about, $2700 cables () won't even cover it. Well done, H9!
    Apparently you didn't get the sarcasm in my post and/or you read into the OP's post something that wasn't there. I answered strictly based on what he posted. He gives ZERO criteria about what he's looking for and what he is willing to spend. YOU jumped to the conclusion he wanted something entry level, I didn't. Not to mention these are similar to the cables I use and they are fantastic. So thanks for "well done" comment, I thought it was a great suggestion too.

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    To the OP, Monoprice sells decent stuff but be aware that it may oxidize(turn green) in less than a year. I purchased some 14 ga wire from them a few years back and that's exactly what happened.

    EndersShadow mentioned spending allotting 10% of your budget on speaker wire and I think that's a good number to start with. Blue Jeans Cable, Signal Cable, etc are all good companies to buy from. I still think Accessories For Less is a great place to get gear/cable for cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HTguru1982 View Post
    His speakers cost less than that. Maybe if he had just spent $10,000 on a pair of speakers then maybe he would benefit from these.

    Unless you've got high, HIGH end speakers, there's no need to spend a fortune on speaker cables IMO.
    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.
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    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.

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    Hey I checked out Accessories For Less that is now on my bookmark, thanks.
    You made me go check my wires on my SDA1C from monoprice
    They are not green but I will be watching.
    On my 2.3 tls I have original Kimbercable from 1989 the orange and black braid kind.
    Now I think that there is no reason to use any better speaker wire than what is inside your speakers of course you want good cable and big enough gauge from the length of your runs so as to not add resistance but that is IMHO.
    I just think all copper 12ga should be plenty good.

    Quote Originally Posted by HTguru1982 View Post
    To the OP, Monoprice sells decent stuff but be aware that it may oxidize(turn green) in less than a year. I purchased some 14 ga wire from them a few years back and that's exactly what happened.

    EndersShadow mentioned spending allotting 10% of your budget on speaker wire and I think that's a good number to start with. Blue Jeans Cable, Signal Cable, etc are all good companies to buy from. I still think Accessories For Less is a great place to get gear/cable for cheap.

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    How much did you all spend on the end connectors, banana plugs? Some of us don't even have an office


    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remo View Post
    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.
    So, you have no personal experience with quailty cable and would rather believe some article than actually trying it for yourself, which of course means your opinion is without merit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    Now I think that there is no reason to use any better speaker wire than what is inside your speakers
    A common misconception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    How much did you all spend on the end connectors, banana plugs?
    They came with the cables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    The $1000.00 speakers in my office rig are hooked up with $3000.00 speaker cables. The improvements in sound quality over "cheap" cable made it worth every penny.
    Imagine how much better things would sound if you spent 3k on speakers and 1k on cables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remo View Post
    12AWG copper wire is all you need, its about $0.60 per foot , anything else is just marketing fluff and complete waste of money.

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    This entire article is complete BS. When the author of this crap can state that tubes are for "tweako cultists" and thet "tubes are for boobs", he clearly shows his bias and lack of any experience with the subject. There is so much garbage out there these days, and a shame that so many start drinking the koolaid without ever learning for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    This entire article is complete BS. When the author of this crap can state that tubes are for "tweako cultists" and thet "tubes are for boobs", he clearly shows his bias and lack of any experience with the subject. There is so much garbage out there these days, and a shame that so many start drinking the koolaid without ever learning for themselves.
    That screenshot article exactly mirrors Ravioli's philosophy. He must have read it, and since it agrees with his opinion, it must be true. Interestingly, there is not a single fact, or data, in that page. Everything said is opinion.

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    yeah it does.. and a very short google search of the author of that piece of trash confirms my speculations as well. Peter Aczel did a glowing review for a speaker without disclosing that he also owned the company that made the speaker! Turns out the speaker was really crapola and the speaker company went belly up. His publication, "The Audio Critic" is also belly up, though it does exist as a little visited "web-zine", dedicated to the cultist snobs that believe cheap gear is as good as or better than expensive gear and cables don't matter.

    What a reputable source to use for basing an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    Imagine how much better things would sound if you spent 3k on speakers and 1k on cables.
    No guarantee on that one. Due to location I can only use monitors and they need to perform well close to the back wall. That pretty much rules out rear ported designs. I ended up with a sealed design that does a solid 38Hz.
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