Contemplating Something New

[styx]

Hey Gang,

I'm considering getting a new receiver for my music room. I love the Sansui G-7500 that's there now but am looking to try a new receiver with a remote, of which I'm looking @ Yamaha's new R-S700 and the Outlaw RR2150. It will be used in rotation with the G-7500 and a Kenwood KR-5030 and yes, I'm a "receiver guy".




I've read good reviews on both and they match up pretty well but would like to hear from those that have experience with either. I like the look of both (wish the R-S700 was available in silver) but lean more towards the art deco look of the RR2150. I also like the fact that both have tone controls and the R-S700 has a loudness control, which I use fequently. I doubt I could go wrong with either one but it never hurts to get opinions.

Thanks,

[erniejade]

I prefer the outlaw sound vs yamaha. The outlaw also has a MM and MC input for the phono and at the price point, i think it would basically just come down to preference. Both have sub out and i see the outlaw is switchable on the HZ on the back of the unit but, i don't know if the yamaha if you can select the freq.

If your a phono user, having the MC and MM might come in handy.

Other than that, spec wise they are both darn close. It would come down to what sound you prefer.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I have not heard those two units, but I can tell you that I prefer the Outlaw house sound vs the Yamaha. With the Klipsch in the mix the Yamaha would be too bright for my tastes, the Outlaw should have a more neutral sound.

That's my opinion on the general house sound of both companies, can't speak for the actual units in question directly.

[cnh]

You gotta love the new Yamaha "retro" look! That said, the Outlaw (I'm pretty sure that is NO longer in production) is/was probably the best receiver in its price range! There are many reviews on line which claim it bests some integrateds?

cnh

[gdb]

Won't be Stellar..........

[polkfarmboy]

Never hear either but the look of that RR2150 excites me

[styx]

Thanks for the replies. I emailed Outlaw to see if the RR2150 is out of production....still waiting to hear back. Anyone else?

Here's their specs and features:

Outlaw RR2150

State-of-the-art stereo receiver inspired by the art deco table radios of the past
High performance FM Stereo/FM/AM tuner
Multiple inputs with separate record output bus
USB input for playback of streaming audio output from compatible computers
High quality phono input for both moving magnet and moving coil cartridges
Processor/equalizer loop
The only stereo receiver with a subwoofer output that includes selectable, analog bass management
Front panel "speaker equalization" selector adds a half-octave of bass boost at a choice of frequencies to improve performance with compact bookshelf speakers
Headphone jack with level control
Front panel stereo mini-jack input for easy connection to portable devices such as iPod?
Tone control defeat
Precision, motorized volume control
A/B Speaker Output
Pre-Out/Main-In connections
IR In/Out jacks
Removable IEC style power cord
Multi-device, programmable remote control

Specifications
Audio Section
Continuous Average Power:
100 watts per channel, 20 Hz - 20kHz,<0.03% THD, both channels driven into 8 ohms
160 watts per channel, 20 Hz - 20kHz,<0.03% THD, both channels driven into 4 ohms
Input Sensitivity/Impedance:
High Level: 200mV/47kohms
MM Phono: 3.3mV/47kohms
MC Phono: 0.6mV/47kohms
S/N Ratio: 96dB
Bass Management:
Adjustable 60/80/100/Bypass
High-Pass Slope 12 dB/octave (2nd order)
Low-Pass Slope 12 dB/octave (2nd order)
Tone Control:
Bass Center Frequency/Range 50Hz ? 6.5dB
Treble Center Frequency/Range 1KHz ? 6.5db
FM Tuner Section
Frequency Range: 87.5-108MHz
Usable Sensitivity IHF: 12dBf
Signal-to-Noise Ratio:
Mono/Stereo 75/70dB
Stereo Distortion: 0.24%
Stereo Separation: 37dB @ 19kHz
Selectivity: +/-10kHz, 70dB
AM Tuner Section
Frequency Range: 530-1710kHz
Usable Sensitivity: 500uV/M
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >54dB
Selectivity: +/-10kHz >25dB
General
Supply Voltage 120V, 60Hz only
Power Consumption:
5W Idle
400W maximum, both channels driven
Dimensions:
(HxWxD) 5.75 x 17.1 x 15 in.
Weight 27 lbs

Yamaha R-S700
Specs

Specifications

ToP-ART Technology Yes
RMS Output Power 100W x 2
iPod Compatibility via Yamaha Universal Dock 1 (for optional YDS-12, YID-W10 or YBA-10)
XM Satellite Radio Ready Sirius Satellite Radio Ready
Pure Direct Switch Yes
Switchable CD Direct Amplification Yes
THD [0.04%]
Linear Damping Factor (Speaker A) 240 or more
Continuously Variable Loudness Control Yes
40-Station Preset Tuning Yes
Pre-Out / Main-In Coupler Yes
Zone 2 Output Yes
Zone Remote Control Yes
IR Ports 2 In / 1 Out
+12V Trigger Output Yes
Product Dimension (W x H x D) / Weight (lbs.) 17-1/8? x 6? x 15-1/4? / 24.7

R-S700 Natural Sound Stereo Receiver

Elite class stereo receiver combining ToP-ART technology and ART Base chassis construction with gold?plated speaker terminals and dual aluminum heat sinks for crisp, clean sound. Advanced features include continuously variable loudness control, CD Direct Amplification, along with Yamaha iPod dock connection, SIRIUS Radio Ready, 40-station AM/FM and zone 2 control for endless music enjoyment options.

MAIN FEATURES

Dual aluminum-extruded heat sinks ensure effective heat dissipation and help achieve crisp, clean sound.
Gold-plated speaker terminals and RCA in/out jacks are durable and provide highest quality connections.
With a straight connection to the CD input, CD Direct Amplification maximizes CD source S/N ratio.
An iPod Dock port provides highest quality sound from an iPod. iPod Video Out allows connection to a TV.
With a subscription to SIRIUS Satellite Radio, you can greatly expand your choice of high quality radio programs.
This receiver makes it easy for someone in another room to listen to the music and even control playback.
Advanced Features

100W x 2 high power output
ToP-ART (Total Performance Anti-Resonance Technology)
40-station AM/FM random access preset tuning
Pure Direct for short and direct signal path
Continuously Variable Loudness Control
Speaker A, B or A+B selection
Subwoofer Out
Rec Out selector
Pre-main coupler
Power management (Auto power off)
Terminal for detachable AC cable
Preset and Zone 2 remote controls
Dimensions (W x H x D): 17-1/8" x 6" x 15-1/4"
Zone Control

Multi-Zone Compatibility

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to enjoy your favorite music in more than one room? The R-S700 has a number of specialized functions that make it convenient to use in custom installations. With another receiver or amplifier plus a pair of speakers in a second room, the people in both rooms can hear the music that is playing. You can even put a pair of speakers in a third room and listen there as well. What's more, you can control playback of the main system from the second room with the Zone 2 remote control.

12V Trigger Out (Control Out)

The 12V trigger output can be used to automatically power on the components in Zone 2 when the main power is turned on. Output is a high 100mA, so relay operation is possible.

Main/Zone 2 Power Link

When you switch on the R-S700 in the main room, the unit in Zone 2 will also come on.

Remote (IR) 2 In/Out and Remote 2 In

These terminals let you connect an IR signal receiver for wireless remote control between the Main Zone and Zone 2.

Speaker A/B and A+B Selection

Enjoy music in a third room! Just connect a second pair of speakers to the Speaker B terminals and you can listen to either pair or both of them at the same time.

Dedicated Zone remote Control

The R-S700 provides a second remote unit for controlling operation of the main system from Zone 2.

The Look and Texture of Quality

Offers the look and feel of the top-class A-S2000, with elegant aluminum front panel and silky touch volume/selector knobs. You can feel Yamaha's commitment to quality when you touch the knobs.

ToP-ART Sound Quality Design

ToP-ART (Total Performance Anti-Resonance Technology) design uses a symmetrical layout for accurate sound field reproduction and the ART Base to eliminate effects from external vibration.

Pure Direct

Music signals travel the shortest possible route, bypassing the buffer amp and tone, loudness and balance controls to virtually eliminate any signal degradation for the purest sound quality.

New Speaker Terminals

These high grade speaker terminals have gold plating for best connection and outstanding durability. The pitch between jacks is wider for easier insertion.

Highest Quality Parts

The quality of each individual part, as well as how they work together, basically determines the sound quality of any component. Yamaha uses only very high quality parts, carefully selected and tested.

Continuously Variable Loudness Control

Our ears lose sensitivity to high and low frequencies at low volume levels. This control lets you turn down the volume while maintaining the optimum frequency response.

Special Power Supply for Clear iPod Sound

The iPod dock has an independent power supply to prevent operating or charging current from the iPod from flowing into the amp ground signal. This ensures optimum iPod sound quality.

Balanced System for Minimal Noise

An unbalanced interface is subject to commonmode voltage noise, so Yamaha uses a balanced system to receive the iPod signal. This makes a significant contribution to reducing noise in the system for higher sound quality.

New Remote Controls

The R-S700 preset remote control is designed to make it easy to operate the receiver's many functions. The R-S700 provides a second remote that allows system control from Zone 2.
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[gdb]

Can either be heard by you prior to purchase? Are they easily returned if they end up sounding like a$$? On looks alone....my vote is for the Outlaw, hands down ! I don't think I'd know how to act with a remote controlled receiver ! (or preamp for that matter !)

[styx]

Not able to give them a listen to prior to purchasing. It seems those days are gone, at least in my area.

[EndersShadow]

Both have sub out and i see the outlaw is switchable on the HZ on the back of the unit but, i don't know if the yamaha if you can select the freq.

If your a phono user, having the MC and MM might come in handy.

Other than that, spec wise they are both darn close. It would come down to what sound you prefer.

I really really really like that you can select the hz for bass management on the back. Not only that its there, but its BEFORE the amplifier. So your ONLY amplifiying the remaining frequencies for your fronts if your using a sub. I do not think this is the way a standard AVR does things.

I have read LOTS of reviews of that outlaw model and they are all pretty favorable. Its supposed to punch WAAAAAYYY above its pricepoint. Plus right now on the used market its hard to find that good a deal.

[Drenis]

I really really really like that you can select the hz for bass management on the back. Not only that its there, but its BEFORE the amplifier. So your ONLY amplifiying the remaining frequencies for your fronts if your using a sub. I do not think this is the way a standard AVR does things.

I have read LOTS of reviews of that outlaw model and they are all pretty favorable. Its supposed to punch WAAAAAYYY above its pricepoint. Plus right now on the used market its hard to find that good a deal.

Parasound's New Classic line has this feature built into their amps. Great feature.

[styx]

That said, the Outlaw (I'm pretty sure that is NO longer in production) is/was probably the best receiver in its price range!

cnh

Just heard back from Outlaw and RR2150 is still part of their current line up. I may become an "Outlaw".

[styx]

I took the plung and got the RR2150 during the sale. Got it setup last nite and listen for a hour or so....so far I'm very happy with it. The volume controls on the remote are a little touchy but this little receiver packs a bunch. Good solid bass, the highs are clear but not too bright. It's a good solid performer that I'll have for a long time.

The only thing I miss is the loudness control on the Sansui. I used it all the time at low levels. I've had many receivers over the years with loudness controls that never sounded good to me, so I never used them but the Sansui was the exception. The RR2150 has a "speaker equalization" selector that adds a half-octave of bass boost at a choice of frequencies to improve performance which helps.

It's nice to have a modern receiver to add in the rotation.

[zingo]

Great looking unit; congrats!

[Lasareath]

Very Nice! Thinking about getting one

[Conradicles]

Very nice!