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    Default Have the BLackrockTL3 surround setup, want to upgrade the fronts.

    I love the system but want to upgrade the fronts to LSiM703s. Will the TL3 Center channel timbre match these? The "Why do you want to upgrade?" is a good question. I think some is just being hooked on Polks now, wanting more range although the sub does a great job at blending in with the rest of the sound.

    I would get a center too but it would involve having to get a new entertainment center. The bottom of the TV would be blocked and the depth is too big as well for the factory tv stand. Wall mounting isn't an option.

    I read a lot of the tech in the TL3s was passed down from the LSiMs so I am hoping that it would timbre match. I don't have a choice with the satellites due to room.

    I would love the 707s but I can't justify that kind of oomph in a 12x18 room and satellite surrounds.


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    DSW 550
    Denon 2312

    I am happy to have every and any opinion on the matter. Thank you for your time and sorry if this has been covered. If anyone HAS this setup that'd be awesome for input!

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    Those should be an excellent choice. The 705's are the better speaker over the 707's anyways IMO. The 703's are the gems though and will do amazingly in that room. If you get them, you might just end up going off the deep end though. My first upgrade after getting them would be an external amp to provide them some nice, clean, solid power. The LSiM's are very revealing and respond well to upgrades in the chain.

    If you want to go a cheaper route, you could consider the LSi9's. They are also solid speakers and should blend well with the TL3 package. The issue there is an external amp would be a MUST HAVE. The 9's are pretty power-hungry and have a tendency to be very hard on AVR's. For that reason, I'd definitely look into the LSiM 703 if price isn't a deterrent.
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    Would an amp be needed for the 703s if I just bi-wired them since my receiver is 7.1 and my setup is only 5.1? I don't know anything about amps for HTs.

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    No, don't bi-wire. Just hook 'em up like you do your TL3's. An amp isn't needed on the 703's, but it will give them new life once added. You would be fine with them; my point was, when an itch to upgrade comes again, a separate amp would be where I'd start looking.
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    DSkip- IIRC the TL3 uses the same tweeter as the LSi line? I might be wrong. I wouldn't be against recommending LSi7's if that we're the case since he only has an avr, at this point! If he likes that, maybe we can spend his money on an amp, avr, 15's, dac, huge tv.... The list goes on and on....

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    No it's a different tweeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post
    No it's a different tweeter.
    Hm... Am I completely wrong, but is there a Polk sat that does? I very well may be..

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    No. It is a similar design, but not the same. The TL3 uses a .75" tweeter, while the LSiM series uses a 1" tweeter. They are both ring radiators and similar in tone, but not the same. Similar tech, different tweeter.

    The LSi7's are a good value, but I don't see a huge upgrade over the TL3 by switching to the 7's, especially for kent's use. The 703 is a huge upgrade over the TL3, but also comes at a steeper cost. It should sound decent off the AVR and add a little punch to the sound that I assume he is missing/looking for.
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    So the 1/4" tweeter size is a no go? What would be a cheap/quality amp for them?

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    Kentmick,

    I was running Polk's RM6900 series speakers for a long time and was very happy. Everyone has their philosophy about good sound and I am no different. I believe that it is easier to achieve a well blended system when your surround drivers compliment the mains. With all that said, polks RM8000T/50TMain would be a better match for your system or the RM30s if you still need to place the speakers on a counter top. There is currently a set of both on e-bay for sale. No they are not mine, all of mine are that pewter color.

    I paused for a second and checked the ebay ad again. The same person is aslo selling a RM302 center. Googling the speakers that I listed should bring up and old archival polk link so you can see the specs relative to your Blackstones. For the most part, all speakers benefit from amplification. I was running my setup on a Denon 4306, then a rotel 993, and after that a Sunfire Grand 200.
    With each addition, the 8000Ts appeared to project a wider sound stage. I mentioned that only to indicate, that whatever you decide, adding an amp seems to rejuvenate most setups. Good luck!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_M View Post
    Kentmick,

    I was running Polk's RM6900 series speakers for a long time and was very happy. Everyone has their philosophy about good sound and I am no different. I believe that it is easier to achieve a well blended system when your surround drivers compliment the mains. With all that said, polks RM8000T/50TMain would be a better match for your system or the RM30s if you still need to place the speakers on a counter top. There is currently a set of both on e-bay for sale. No they are not mine, all of mine are that pewter color.

    I paused for a second and checked the ebay ad again. The same person is aslo selling a RM302 center. Googling the speakers that I listed should bring up and old archival polk link so you can see the specs relative to your Blackstones. For the most part, all speakers benefit from amplification. I was running my setup on a Denon 4306, then a rotel 993, and after that a Sunfire Grand 200.
    With each addition, the 8000Ts appeared to project a wider sound stage. I mentioned that only to indicate, that whatever you decide, adding an amp seems to rejuvenate most setups. Good luck!!
    These are not a timber match. The LSi/LSiM will be a better match. Similarly, the RTi line is a good match with the TL2.
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    I took the dive and ordered two 703s...and a 704 for my center :) I will either put the original 3 in our bedroom or in our tiny exercise room. I will still be using two 350s for the surrounds.

    For the record, the TL350s are incredible and I was happy with them. If you are taking a dive into a home theater or just don't want to deal with concerns of quality, the Blackrock TL350 set along with a nice sub will amaze you.

    My reason for upgrading was the sterling reviews for the LSiMs and my enthusiasm for Polk. Also, speakers CAN be a lifetime investment or one that last decades, I don't regret investing in speakers because of this. Now on to finding a reasonably priced amp to add some juice to the front 3 (I don't know how much benefit the 350s will get as my Denon 2312 already gives them 105 watts out of 125, plus it might be cheaper this way, i don't know yet).


    Thanks to everyone for all the input!
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    Very nice, I had the 703s in house for awhile and liked them. What kind of stands will you be using? Lets start talking amps while we're at it! Congrats.

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    Thanks.

    I ordered these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00

    I don't have good "taste" but I like the look and they can easily handle those 30 lb bad boys.

    Amp wise I have no idea, I am very new to all of this, but I think my ears are very perceptive to quality change. My denon 2312 is 105x7. I was thinking about hooking the rears up to the 703s since I only have a 5.1 but from what I read it seems you want to free up the receiver for other things and these specs are usually very inflated (right?). Technically this would be 10 watts over the speaker's 200 max...but from what I gather, receivers always supply less than what they state.

    So the questions are: What is the right wattage for an amp to power these guys and still be a major upgrade over the receiver powering them? They have 2 sets of posts each. I guess my concern is: the receiver says 105, most amps in my price range only offer a little less than that. Would it still be an upgrade? Are amp specs more accurate than receiver specs? PS. My desired budget for an amp would be 500-700, i know that is low for a new quality amp. Finally, is using the rear channels to add some juice to the fronts really that bad of an idea? Does this really strain (add noise) to the overall sound? Edit: Just saw my receiver doesn't have preamp outputs. I should have researched more beforehand but I couldn't help diving in.

    The 350s spoiled me with a short break in time in my opinion. I heard these guys can take awhile.
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    Well congratulations on your purchase of the LSiMs.

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