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    Default Monitor 10B options for subs or replace entire system

    I have a pair of Monitor 10B's that I've owned since new in 1989. I'd like to find a pair of the flagship SDA's but haven't found anything. These are for music only (no surround system) and would like to have some more bass. I would consider getting some subs to add to the system or maybe its time to change and get a set of Lsi25's for $1300? Music listened to: Neil Young, America, Steely Dan, you get the idea. What have others done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by impalapower View Post
    I have a pair of Monitor 10B's that I've owned since new in 1989. I'd like to find a pair of the flagship SDA's but haven't found anything. These are for music only (no surround system) and would like to have some more bass. I would consider getting some subs to add to the system or maybe its time to change and get a set of Lsi25's for $1300? Music listened to: Neil Young, America, Steely Dan, you get the idea. What have others done?
    The Monitor 10s should have plenty of bass, unless you're listening to church organ music. Have you done any upgrades to them?
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    What size room do you have them in?
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    No I have not done any upgrades. What upgrades should be done? Even though I've been signed up on this forum, I haven't been a part of it, thus I'm not aware of the latest and greatest.

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    Room is 13x26, with three sets of open French doors, one single door width opening, four double hung windows, and a wood burning fireplace. Its a 80+ old home and the speakers sit at the far end.

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    I can say that the LSi25's have plenty of bass, I don't plan on trying to add more anytime soon. Was listening to Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms today and the guitar in The Mans To Big was just awesome!
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    What's in the rest of the audio chain?
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    Yamaha RX1130, but I also have a Yamaha MX800 sitting in the box that I should bring out instead.

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    You should have the crossover rebuilt by vr3!! The difference in sound quality is truly amazing. Had mine done before Christmas and they have not been off since. The garage rig has never sounded so good. Trey my wife hates you,, lol
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    That is a pretty large room. I had my 10's in roughly a 24'x30' room. While bass was decent, they sound MUCH better now out in my guitar room. Which is about 12'x16'. When I was playing them with a sub in my main listening room, the larger room. I was very happy with them.

    I'd suggest adding a sub until you can get a pair of SDA's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsvm View Post
    You should have the crossover rebuilt by vr3!! The difference in sound quality is truly amazing.
    Please help me with this.
    So you've had the crossovers rebuilt by VR3. Why and what does this do?
    Dynamat. I thought that was for automobiles? What does it do to the speakers?
    What are RDO-194's?

    Thank you for all the replies and info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by impalapower View Post
    No I have not done any upgrades. What upgrades should be done? Even though I've been signed up on this forum, I haven't been a part of it, thus I'm not aware of the latest and greatest.
    I own Monitor 10s, and I just rebuilt a pair for a customer. My Home Theater/Listening room is about the same size as yours, and the 10s I rebuilt were absolutely amazing. They have usable output down to 28 Hz. What are you powering them with? Although Polk rated them as 6 ohm, there really 4 ohm speakers, and your amp should be rated for that. At the very least a crossover recap is in order, and a tweeter upgrade. All of this depends on the condition they're in, and how much you're willing to invest in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halo71 View Post
    That is a pretty large room. I'd suggest adding a sub until you can get a pair of SDA's.
    I figured the room might be too big. The volume isn't the problem, just the bass, and maybe getting the Micropro might be the ticket. Now just to find a cozy smaller room in the house. Its a good thing I don't have a pair of Klipschorns, there really isn't a corner suitable in this home for those. The joys of antique homes.

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    That room is big. I don't know that I'd start throwing a lot of dough into the monitors if you really want some SDA's. If its purely music like you say, I might just keep playing the waiting game. With that said, doing some modifications shouldn't break the bank, but I doubt it will ever overcome that room. I also don't know that I'd throw $ into a sub if those aren't your end-game speakers. Once you get some big boys in there, it will likely be obsolete unless you have another system somewhere.
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    You sir need a sub!

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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    I own Monitor 10s, and I just rebuilt a pair for a customer. My Home Theater/Listening room is about the same size as yours, and the 10s I rebuilt were absolutely amazing. They have usable output down to 28 Hz. What are you powering them with? Although Polk rated them as 6 ohm, there really 4 ohm speakers, and your amp should be rated for that. At the very least a crossover recap is in order, and a tweeter upgrade. All of this depends on the condition they're in, and how much you're willing to invest in them.
    Yamaha MX800 amp. Speaker condition is great with the exception of the front cabinet received a good gouge one day, not structure hurting. How much I want to stick into is one question I haven't thought of, I wasn't aware of rebuilds until now. How much does each different component cost to upgrade? What would the tweeter upgrades be? TL's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by impalapower View Post
    I figured the room might be too big. The volume isn't the problem, just the bass, and maybe getting the Micropro might be the ticket. Now just to find a cozy smaller room in the house. Its a good thing I don't have a pair of Klipschorns, there really isn't a corner suitable in this home for those. The joys of antique homes.
    Your probem isn't the 10s per se or the size of your room. The receiver you're using is only rated for 8 and 6 ohms. The 10s are 4 ohm speakers. You're not supplying them with sufficient power especially if your musical tastes include heavy bass tracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    That room is big. I don't know that I'd start throwing a lot of dough into the monitors if you really want some SDA's.
    So if I've been waiting for the SDA's for years and want to passify myself with a new set of speakers, would the LSI25's be sufficient for the room I have or do I need to look other than Polk Audio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by impalapower View Post
    Yamaha MX800 amp. Speaker condition is great with the exception of the front cabinet received a good gouge one day, not structure hurting. How much I want to stick into is one question I haven't thought of, I wasn't aware of rebuilds until now. How much does each different component cost to upgrade? What would the tweeter upgrades be? TL's?
    Have you tried them with the MX800 yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    Have you tried them with the MX800 yet?
    In this house, no. I'll have to try that. The last house, yes, but it was a significantly smaller room. When I moved to this house 8 years ago, not everything was unboxed.

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    LSi's are hard to power and most prefer the LSi15 over the LSi25 for pure music listening. They are completely different sounding than vintage Polk's too, so they might not be your cup of tea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by impalapower View Post
    In this house, no. I'll have to try that. The last house, yes, but it was a significantly smaller room. When I moved to this house 8 years ago, not everything was unboxed.
    The MX800 will provide plenty of power for your 10s. It's rated down to 2 ohms. Before you make any final decisions, connect the MX800, and properly position the 10s. Minimum 6-8 ft apart, at least 3 ft from any side walls or openings, 4-6" above the floor, angled back about 6 degrees, toed in slightly, and since you like a lot of bass, no more than 12" from the back wall. See how they sound then.
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    If it's SDA's you are ultimately after, don't pour a lot of dough into these suggested upgrades, but post in our Wanted section what it is you are looking for and you just might score a set. Then talk about doing upgrades to your SDA's! Who knows, you may score a set that already have been upgraded, or at least ones that have the RDO 194's or 198's installed. The SDA line is really something and I am loving mine. Upgrades are being done to mine at a (as I can afford) slow pace, but still love the sound as they sit! Good luck and keep us posted to which route you take. All the Polk lines have impressed me, but none like the SDA line!
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    Well said tophatjohnny! If you want SDA's then I suggest you just wait for the right pair to pop up. Another good thing would be to get a copy of the SDA handbook on VR3 website so you can educate yourself on the different versions of SDA's and prices on the used market. I wish I would have had this resource when I was looking for mine because a lot of the pairs I looked at people were trying to charge premium prices. Luckly I held out and found a pair of 1C's that were the right price which made the cost of the upgrades that much easier to swallow.

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    The MX-800 amp should power the 10's fine, it should give you the bass you want.

    BUT..i'm not sure how much "bass" your looking for...and with the size of the room, and or placement of the speakers in the room..could be a problem.



    The 3 artists you mentioned, the music is NOT really bass heavy, except for some Young stuff.



    If you really want "SDA's"...then maybe you should just wait till you find a pair.



    I have a set of SDA 1c's in a 17X30 basement room...the acoustics of the room are totally different from your room. But the SDA's will kick your butt on bass ..if you turn them up.."IN MY ROOM"



    Steely Dan is not bass heavy..but work more then fine on my SDA's, not like your lacking any...you put on Chicken foot...you can have your chest pounded...LOL



    It all depends on how much bass your looking for, and your speaker placement in the room, plus your room acoustics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    Your probem isn't the 10s per se or the size of your room.
    Not true at all! Room size just like room treatments play a large part in bass response.





    Quote Originally Posted by tophatjohnny
    If it's SDA's you are ultimately after, don't pour a lot of dough into these suggested upgrades,
    It is not pouring dough into snagging a sub to tide him over until he finds SDA's. Very decent used subs can usually be found nearby on CL fairly cheap.

    quick search...
    http://rockford.craigslist.org/ele/3526833710.html
    http://rockford.craigslist.org/ele/3557781908.html
    http://rockford.craigslist.org/ele/3513587799.html
    http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/3501158599.html
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    Hello Impala just to give you an idea of the mods that can be done to your 10s.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/show...hlight=monitor

    Hope this helps you.
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    Okay, Gary's all for the sub add. That wasn't the pouring of dough I was talking about and still wont provide SDA action, but it's all good!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by halo71 View Post
    Not true at all! Room size just like room treatments play a large part in bass response
    I'm well aware of that, which is why I qualified my statement with "per se"
    I already stated my listening room was about the same size as his, I'd operated two different pairs of Monitor 10s in said listening room with excellent bass results, and I questioned what he was powering them with. The reciever he's been using is not sufficient for 4 ohm speakers. That alone can have as much detrimental effect on bass resonse as room size and room treatments.
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    Guess I'll add my 2 cents since I have a similar setup (see sig):

    1) you didn't mention if the room was carpeted, but if you spike them (or buy something called "top toes"--which I use), it tightens up the bass
    2) moving any speaker towards the corner(s) of a room enhances bass

    The comments about 4 Ohm speakers are valid and very important with (many) Polk speakers. Many of the top-end Yamaha's even have an impedance switch (like my A1), but yours may not be one of them.
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