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    Default Yamaha RX-A1020 or Pioneer Elite sc-63???

    Hi guys! im up grading system and in the market for a new reciever to go with :rti-a7s mains, csi-a6 center and
    rti-a1 in the back for a 5.1 set up! Now ive owned a yamaha rx-v750 for 8-9 years now and is still running strong!!
    But its dated and looking more of the clairity the new recievers have nowa days! So.... the advantage or the elite? Oh and it's 80 music and 20 movie. thanks in advance.

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    AVENTAGE has my vote. But Pioneer is a nice unit as well. Probably come down to price really.

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    I'd highly recommend you demo them if you have anywhere around you. I like the SC Pioneer a lot (obviously) especially for HT use since it's so dynamic and has a huge soundstage. However the Aventage series very detailed and imho slightly more musical. I think its a toss up as they're both powerful and built like tanks with a ton of features, really comes down to which sound you prefer.
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    I've heard and read great reviews of the SC series but I love my Yammie and wouldn't have it any other way. My vote goes for the
    Aventage.
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    Both companies make fantastic products. You can't go wrong either way. If your extremely happy with the Yamaha sound then stick with them . If your looking for something IMO that sounds warmer and a bit quieter between notes , then strongly consider the SC models from Elite.
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    Oh and it's 80 music and 20 movie.
    Personally, I find all AVR's lacking when it comes to music.
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    Thanks guys thanks for the replies!! Was going to go to the local hifi shop and have a listen to the pioneer as I haven't heard one in
    years! But spent the better part of the day battling the snow!! Lol!! Blowing out driveways!! And have to work all weekend!! Should get out on tues though!! I'm and leaning towards the yammie though!! I will keep yous posted!!

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    Have to go with the Yammie here. Mine's a killer for HT & Music.
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    Ya I'm really thinking yammie! And not sure I want to go through the learning curve with the elite! And I am please with the sound out
    of the 750 now! But really want more SQ!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Personally, I find all AVR's lacking when it comes to music.
    Ya, what he said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smglbrth View Post
    Ya, what he said...
    Typical audio myth...couldn't be farther from the truth.
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    It's personal preference!! I love listening to music in 5.1!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsall001 View Post
    Typical audio myth...couldn't be farther from the truth.
    Suppose it could be true..., although, I've never had the opportunity, nor the funds, to purchase $2-3,000 receivers, plus a nice beefy 5 channel amp... So, in my very limited experience, obviously, with under $1,000 receivers, separates sound better to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearsall001 View Post
    Typical audio myth...couldn't be farther from the truth.
    In your own mind, Phil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Personally, I find all AVR's lacking when it comes to music.
    I thought the same thing. Then I picked up the Denon AVR-5800 and it changed my mind. When new, it was claimed to be the equal of seperates. In many cases superior. Some receivers can offer satisfying musical performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    In your own mind, Phil.
    Nothing to do with the mind Jesse...more so about the ears. I'm not one to pay much attention to those blanket statements you like to toss around. They simply don't hold water.
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    Says the guy that sits on the far right of the room up against the wall and thinks that is the sweet spot. Now, I realize it's been years since I've been there, but your sweet spot at that time was not where you sit, it wasn't the loveseat either. The sweet spot was sitting on the middle of the coffee table. Even when Dan paid you a visit recently he was able to improve (quite a bit from what I recall) the sound quality, so what you consider good sound one has to take with a grain of salt.
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    Man, you're memories slipping. Don't be too concerned it happens to all of us. The one snipet of info you left out was how incredible sounding the music was when Dan played back hi-rez songs from his Mac laptop. I know you don't like to discuss that venue but it's the future, no CD or SACD player will be able to compete. And yes, Dan did tweak the speakers about 1" (if that) the difference was subtle but still audible. My system sounds awesome no matter where I sit in the room. I don't have to lock my head in a vise in the so called sweet spot to enjoy my music. Any you are still dead wrong stating that "ALL" AVR's are lacking when it comes to music. Maybe a statement along the lines of "SOME" AVR's are lacking when it comes to music. Also include the statement that "SOME" separates are lacking when it comes to music. Please spare me the rhetoric about separates being the "holy grail". Total BS.
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    Def Tech ProMonitor 1000 / front & rear presence
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    I have owned and installed so many Pioneers (Elite, VSX and SC) its crazy. The 2012 models had a few issues but it wasn't anything a firmware update could not fix.

    Yamaha makes a solid unit as well, but for me if it came down to the two units I would pick the Pioneer.

    The Pioneers sound great, have way to many options and have loads of power. The Ipad app is fun to use too.

    The SC series are my favorite.

    My vote is for the Pioneer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamZet View Post
    I have owned and installed so many Pioneers (Elite, VSX and SC) its crazy. The 2012 models had a few issues but it wasn't anything a firmware update could not fix.

    Yamaha makes a solid unit as well, but for me if it came down to the two units I would pick the Pioneer.

    The Pioneers sound great, have way to many options and have loads of power. The Ipad app is fun to use too.

    The SC series are my favorite.

    My vote is for the Pioneer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Says the guy that sits on the far right of the room up against the wall and thinks that is the sweet spot. Now, I realize it's been years since I've been there, but your sweet spot at that time was not where you sit, it wasn't the loveseat either. The sweet spot was sitting on the middle of the coffee table. Even when Dan paid you a visit recently he was able to improve (quite a bit from what I recall) the sound quality, so what you consider good sound one has to take with a grain of salt.
    Why must you try to discredit someone? Does that make you feel better?.
    Just so you know Phil has a wonderful sounding system. I don't care where he sits , it's a very nice well rounded system. His Yamaha does a very good job being a preamp.
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    FYI. If you haven't made up your mind on which AVR is for you.... I've been interested in the SC-63 as well and found this out: The SC-61 is the same AVR, except for Pioneer's Advanced PC Setup, where you can hook up your pc to help with initial set up. I feel I can easliy do without that, so think I'll save the $75 - $200 and go with the SC-61. Read more here for the comparison:

    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/r...3-65-67-68-pre

    Hope this helps some.

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    Hey all!! Yes there is a new advantage in the house 1020!! Weeeee have it all set up and doing lots of ajustments sooooo many!! Had to run the YPAO twice, first time I forgot to set volume on the sub at half! And got nothing out of the sub! But works great now!! The
    RX-A1020 REALY clean up the bass! I did a lot of setting changes! the YPAO set all speakers to large, so set them to small and the
    Cross over was at 60hrz, I set it too 80hrz and now it sounds nice and clear!! So thanks guys for all ur imput!! REALY helped!!

    Even the pissing contest!!! Lol!!
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    Enjoy! Looks like a nice unit, it even has multichannel inputs! Don't see that hardly at all anymore. Something I have to consider whenever my 13 year old Oinker blows up...

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    I did notice the multi channel input but not sure what it would be used for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polkdude46 View Post
    I did notice the multi channel input but not sure what it would be used for?
    Some older quality CD/BD players had multi channel analog out & did not have HDMI. Getting to be a moot point now a days because pretty much evertything is HDMI.
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    I like to run multichannel for the audio and run the video directly to the tv. Of course, my "old" receiver doesn't have HDMI. I purchased the Yamaha BD-A1010 a year or so ago just because it had multichannel outputs. My old BDP quit running BD's so I had to look elsewhere. Now that the Oinker is starting to have issues from time to time I need to look into a new surround receiver at some point. Suppose if a new one had HDMI pass-through for the picture it would be ok not to have multichannel inputs but the flexibility is always nice. Of course, I'm kind of out of the loop with all the new fangdangled home theater jargon so I could very well not know what the heck I'm even talking about when it comes to this.

    In my home though, home theater comes at a very distant second after 2 channel..., not that it matters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantis View Post
    Why must you try to discredit someone? Does that make you feel better?.
    Just so you know Phil has a wonderful sounding system. I don't care where he sits , it's a very nice well rounded system. His Yamaha does a very good job being a preamp.
    I was under the impression that this was his own personal forum and he could say and do whatever he wanted. Isn't that why so many newcomers always pretext their questions by saying they are newcomers because they fear the wrath of the guy in charge ?

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    smglbrth I was in the same boat as u!! I too ran video straight to the tv, but used optical out the receiver on my rxv750!!

    cowtrimmer ur right a lot of people are oprehensive about asking questions on these forums in fear they will be judged in some way!!

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    cowtrimmer ur right a lot of people are oprehensive about asking questions on these forums in fear they will be judged in some way!!
    So, you have been here a year with 13 posts and you think you know what other people do or don't do!?! Too funny!
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