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    Default Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature Reference Crossover Modification Thread

    THIS is going to be "BALLS OUTS!"

    Tweeter Network -
    Clarity Cap MR
    Clarity Cap ESA 250V Shunt
    Duelund Resistors (cast)
    Perfect Lay or Foil Inductors, whatever matches the DCR

    Midbass Network -
    Clarity Cap MR
    Clarity Cap ESA 250V Shunt
    Mundorf Supreme Resistors
    Stock if perfect lay/film, if not - will change to such

    Woofer Network -
    Clarity Cap ESA
    Perfect Lay Inductor versus iron core

    External Enclosure for right/left -
    Speakers will be wired with Supra 13 awg wire internally and from speaker to crossover
    NL4/2 Connections from speaker to crossover
    Input connection WBT
    Crossovers will be on an isolated platform from the enclosure floor

    No Rez on the enclosure walls

    This will be a lot of fun! :)
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    Just because it's a shunt circuit, doesn't mean it also doesn't deserve the best. ;)

    Otherwise, sounds like a fun project!

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    Its not a matter of "dont wanna use the MR" but its a matter of... 100-200uf in the MR would need its OWN enclosure! :-P
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    How big do they make the enclosure you were talking about, Trey?



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    As big as we want them, built to order! :)
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    Tom- I take it this is your speakers?

    What a fun project. I can't wait to hear about how it sounds after the upgrade.

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    Trey, not to sound like a d*ck. But wouldn't the Duelund cast resistors be the "balls out" resistor to use?
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    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by headrott View Post
    Trey, not to sound like a d*ck. But wouldn't the Duelund cast resistors be the "balls out" resistor to use?
    Sorry, i just noticed you do have them on the tweeter crossovers. Why not use them in the midbass as well? I guess I do need more than 2 hours of sleep per night.
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    Why are there 100-200uf caps in the tweeter and mid-bass circuits?
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    I will be honest that I have not looked at this crossover in a year and a half and at that time I was not cataloging schematics.

    I reviewed the pictures and the tweeter has a 200uf parallel cap, the midbass has 120uf series cap.

    As far as resistors go, this is just a preliminary layout but I have had great success with Mundorf Supreme and Mills MRC in the bass network over duelund. It is more about synergy than price sometimes, imo.

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    I definitely need to talk about that 120uf in the midbass section as it is far more critical than I thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Why are there 100-200uf caps in the tweeter and mid-bass circuits?
    In the HF section, it could be a trap/notch filter or impedance compensation... As for the rest of the speaker, those values are completely normal in a three way, especially if there are 4ohm drivers. 4ohm=larger caps and smaller inductors, 8ohms smaller caps and larger inductors.

    Trey, I'd recommend 8 pole Speakon connectors between the crossover and speaker cabinet. Don't be fooled by their price, other than pure copper posts, Speakon sound the best, IMO. Plus, it will make things much simpler and neater!

    EDIT, I just googled NL4/2 and realized those are Speakon, they're a nice choice too!
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    We were thinking either NL8 or a NL2/4 combo depending on the space on the terminal cup. I really like speak on and have been using it regularly. I definitely agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by VR3 View Post
    As far as resistors go, this is just a preliminary layout but I have had great success with Mundorf Supreme and Mills MRC in the bass network over duelund. It is more about synergy than price sometimes, imo.
    Gotcha. The Duelund does seem more of a transparent, detailed high frequency resistor. I was not thinking about the price, but the transparency and detail from the Duelunds for the reason to use them everywhere.
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    Funny that you just made this thread a couple days ago. Just yesterday I had my Tylers open to check what all was in the crossover so I could upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    In the HF section, it could be a trap/notch filter or impedance compensation... As for the rest of the speaker, those values are completely normal in a three way, especially if there are 4ohm drivers. 4ohm=larger caps and smaller inductors, 8ohms smaller caps and larger inductors.
    Oki-doki, thanks......what do I know anyway.

    We were thinking either NL8 or a NL2/4
    The NL4 and 8 are built better and have better performance specs than the NL2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Oki-doki, thanks......what do I know anyway.
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    The reason why we would use a a NL2/4 combo is one can not plug into the other which reduces potential error.

    I would like to use a NL8 but I am currently behind and have not had a chance to measure! :D

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    One thing I'd like to stress is that Trey and I are not in a hurry with this project and price has nothing to do with the goal. That being a musical sound and not one that is clinical or your typical "High-Fi" sound. Some things have been chosen because of experience with the synergy with the Seas drivers and other things, we are consulting just about every professional and trusted ear we can think of. It's looking like this will turn into a 2 month project due to the custom and special order items, some of which may take 6 to 8 weeks to be shipped and that's once we order them. We are trying to go balls to the wall but the focus is not money. The focus is the end result as to what hits our ears.

    I'd like to thank Trey, F1nut and others whom you may not know [not from this forum] as well as those who have responded in this thread for your time and your input. Mike, if you don't mind, I'd like to chat with you via the phone in the very near future. This is going to end up as a ground up overhaul/restoration/upgrade. From the cabinet to the plinth to the spikes...you name it, it's gonna look and [hopefully] sound fantastic when we are all done. This one's for you Jesse, I'll finally get around to spiking the plinths.

    Oh, one more thing. We will be adapting the crossover somewhat like Wilson does. After the upgrades are done, I will have a handful of resistors to play around with on the tweeter network. We are not only going to match the resistor to the speakers but to the room and my ears as well. So with that said, a mechanical connection will be made for the resistor in that network so I can easily swap them out to find the perfect match. After I have decided on which resistor value, a more permanent mechanical and electrical connection will be made.

    I guess you have figured this out by now, Ern Dog. Yes, the speakers are mine.

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    I wanted to add to the resistor thing in saying we will be using NICE resistors when voicing them, not like cheap sand cast stuff...

    Just saying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VR3 View Post
    Its not a matter of "dont wanna use the MR" but its a matter of... 100-200uf in the MR would need its OWN enclosure! :-P
    Thats funny! I used the SA in my 5jr+'s and they were bigger than "D" cell batterys, almost had to put them on a sepporate board .
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    Good afternoon, gentlemen. I have an update for those who are interested. What has started out as a simple crossover upgrade that will be balls to the wall has turned into a full blown restoration/crossover upgrade/custom almost everything. We figure that if we are going to do it....do it right.

    Each external crossover enclosure is expected to weigh close to 40 plus pounds after all is said and done. We are now exploring different options for a custom enclosure as the one we have planned will be too large for the enclosure pictured above. Preliminary indications/measurements are that each side [Left and Right speaker] will have a 15" wide, 15" deep, 24" tall enclosure. The speaker shells them self will be reconditioned and both the speakers as well as the external crossovers will be put on custom outriggers, so I will lose the plinths they currently reside on. We are currently working on a completely new custom enclosure that will be designed specifically for this system. More on that later...

    One thing that will be completely unique about this particular external crossover/upgrade is that we will actually have both the original crossover as well as the upgraded crossover within the same external crossover unit(s). That way, if anybody wants to hear what they sounded like "somewhat" stock -vs- upgraded, this can be accomplished with a simple swap out of 4 outrageously nice connectors. The differences between the stock speaker and the upgrades just to the speaker itself will be lining the interior with no-rez, outriggers, a diffraction-be-gone pad and the stock crossovers taken out from the enclosure itself and placed into the external enclosure. Added weight may also be included to make up the difference in volume that the removal of the crossover within the current speaker shell will make.

    Because so many custom things need to be made, ordered, measured and whatnot, the original plans for a 1-2 month turnaround have been scrapped. Since this project has taken on a whole new direction, the estimated time for completion is now sitting at a minimum of three months. Good things do come to those who wait.

    More on the actual "crossover" upgrades as we progress. Until then, my lips are sealed.

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    VERY interesting.

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    Everything in this project is going to be big!!!!!!
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    Approximate dimensions of the enclosure (2 enclosures)

    20" depth, 16" wide (17.5) with wood side panels and approximately 20-21 with outriggers, 27-30" tall
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    We will be providing the following measurements (ground plane, one speaker) - pre and post mod...

    Frequency response with phase and impulse response (on axis)
    Harmonic distortion: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th harmonics plus THD

    And maybe this will become standard practice... :-P

    I should have a prototype wood enclosure in the next two weeks I am hoping
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    First batch of parts are in!
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    Delrin shelves are here for the inside of the enclosures, what what??
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    Sweet tittie!!!

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    I'd stick with WBT or Speakon binding posts/connection, you can throw those Daytons away.
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