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    Default Stereophile Class A.........

    Got anything that was on the "A" list over the years?

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    Pass Aleph 3/30 and Adcom GFP-750.

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Pass Aleph 3/30 and Adcom GFP-750.

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    Sony XA-5400ES SACD player. Aerial Acoustics 7T speakers.

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    Gfp750
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    Parasound P5
    Parasound A21
    Cambridge Audio tuner
    Yaquin tube buffer (PearsAll)
    Rotel RCD1072
    Morrow Sp3
    Morrow Xlr
    Lsi15 w/Fortress mod.


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    Adcom 555
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    Monitor 70 II
    Signal cables

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    Marantz SA-KI Black Pearl SACD player

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.

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    Marantz SA-8001
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.

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    Magnepan MG-20's, and a Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck... The tube amp upon which my Carvers were based won amplifier of the year honors from TheAbsolute Sound.
    HT Setup... Pioneer Elite SC-37, Polk Audio SDA-SRS 1.2TL's , Oppo BDP 93
    Two Channel... Carver Statement 450~1 Vacuum Tube Monoblocks, Dodd Mid-line Tube Linestage with Psvane 12Ax7 tubes, Pioneer Pdd 9Mk II SACD Player, Yamaha PX-3 Turntable with Sumiko BPS EvoIII, Polk Audio SDA-SRS 1.2TLs.


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    Yep.
    'Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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    Not any more. Bought something that sounds better and sold the Stereophile Class A rated item.
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:

    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."

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    probably not - although the ESL-57s presumably could have been (and might even have been) back in the day.
    all the best,
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    Nope.

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    Placette passive line stage
    Benchmark DAC/PRE
    Harbeth's were class B in "restricted low frequency" category

    Source: Squeezebox Touch/CIA Power Supply
    DAC: Benchmark DAC/PRE
    Linestage: Placette RVC Passive
    Power Amp: Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12-NSD

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    I've noticed over the years that several pieces have been on the class A list but I forget which ones. I know the Manley Steelhead phono pre was and I think the Avantgarde Duos and Ayre CD player was too. Oh, and my Benz Ruby 3 cartridge and SME tone arm may have been. You do have to have a very high level of performance to make the list although I wouldn't buy based soley on it, the components must work well together to achieve this level of performance in a system.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D

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    As far as I know, I only have 1/2 of "Class A"!

    I have 3 NHT M6's that are only half of the "Class A" moniker T6 system.

    My Atoll pre might be on there, but I doubt it.

    Nice gear you fellas got there!

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    Dunno. Don't subscribe, never have.

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    McIntosh C2200, C2300, MCD500
    Strictly 2 channel
    Rotel RC-1550 pre
    Rotel RB-1582 amp
    Catcables Kingcats ICs
    APC S-20 line conditioner
    B&W N804 mains
    B&W ASW800 sub
    Rotel RCC-1055 changer
    Denon DVD 1000

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    McIntosh C2300 preamp
    McIntosh MC452 amp
    McIntosh MCD-500 SACD player
    AQ Colorado XLR ICs
    AQ Columbia ICs
    APC H-15 line conditioner
    Sonus faber Auditor M speakers w/stands
    REL B1 subwoofer
    Rega P9 w/Lyra Delos
    Pioneer RT-707 R2R
    Zu power cables & XLRs

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    Are you kidding? I'm like Kathy Griffin....I'm strictly a D list kind of guy.

    Check out my sig tag, that says it all.
    My equipment sig felt inadequate and deleted itself.

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    Catcables Kingcats ICs
    I checked those out Miner........NICE!

    I had never heard of them, but some experienced cable makers made those cables (pictured).
    I have seen a few IC's.
    Not as easy as it looks from what I have been told.

    Like I have to ask, how do they sound?

    PS: I had the Colorado 72vdbs listed in your sig, around here for a very short time (another member owns them now).
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    Catcables ?
    Are they the same dudes as these guys ? http://www.calaudiotech.com/

    Some high end stuff, I remember awhile back they had a home theater system for a 100g's.

    Owning class A stuff....heck if I know. I don't pay attention to Stereophile ratings anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivrrat View Post
    Are you kidding? I'm like Kathy Griffin....I'm strictly a D list kind of guy.
    I love it!

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    Catcables are made by the gentleman that runs the HTGuide.com forum. A very nice, sweet sounding IC. My best analog IC - I now run mostly balanced connections.
    Strictly 2 channel
    Rotel RC-1550 pre
    Rotel RB-1582 amp
    Catcables Kingcats ICs
    APC S-20 line conditioner
    B&W N804 mains
    B&W ASW800 sub
    Rotel RCC-1055 changer
    Denon DVD 1000

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    McIntosh C2300 preamp
    McIntosh MC452 amp
    McIntosh MCD-500 SACD player
    AQ Colorado XLR ICs
    AQ Columbia ICs
    APC H-15 line conditioner
    Sonus faber Auditor M speakers w/stands
    REL B1 subwoofer
    Rega P9 w/Lyra Delos
    Pioneer RT-707 R2R
    Zu power cables & XLRs

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    I'll tell you all, in the "next life" when I come back as a Bill Gates Billionaire! lol

    If any of you young'ns are still around you're invited to the "best two channel system" on earth DEMO party! I'll log into this site as cnh 2.0!

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    Sterephile Class A recommended components in current 2 channel system:

    Parasound JC 1 monoblock power amps,
    Cary Audio CD 306 Pro Verion CD player,
    Graham Phantom B-44 tonearm,
    Ortofon MC Windfeld phono cartridge.

    My Pass Labs phono preamp and line level preamp would probably be on the RCL (recommended components list) if Stereophile and Pass Labs had not had a falling out in 2003. Nelso Pass posted this on the Diyaudio.com forum on 11-21-2003:

    "As an amusing sidenote, Stereophile has omitted Pass Labs from its Annual Directory."

    [Link: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-...tml#post268708]

    In that same thread on the Diyaudio.com forum, Nelson Pass said this on 12-19-2003:

    I have always found that big fancy ads aren't cost effective,
    but it is important to maintain at least a small presence
    on an ongoing basis.

    To be avoided at all costs are the "shill" efforts by some
    manufacturers, in which complimentary letters and posts by
    aliases are used to create some buzz. Some companies
    that have used this approach are no longer with us.....

    [Link: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-...tml#post286021]

    An interesting discussion of how and why the Stereophile RCL was "prostituted" in order to increase subscribers and ad revenue can be found here.

    From the above linked website:

    "John Atkinson realized the most basic formula for "success":


    By increasing the number of "Recommended Components", especially in Class A, there would be a corresponding increase of audiophiles who now had something "at stake" in the magazine.


    These audiophiles would then become committed readers; Subscribers!

    These audiophiles would look forward to each issue, which would (hopefully) "confirm" their choice(s) and purchase(s) of component(s). They would also now have "bragging rights" and "status" with their other (audiophile) friends who didn't yet own components of similar "stature". This would then pressure these friends to also purchase components on the RCL, just to "keep up".

    The "confirmation" of their purchases had another soothing effect:

    It reduced any residual anxiety and/or insecurity the purchasers might have had with the spending of large amounts of money. It even allayed serious doubts as to the actual in-house performance of their new components, since that same performance had now been "verified" as "Class A" by "official experts". These readers now felt that their previously futile search for "certainty" had finally ended. The RCL would be "the absolute certainty" they so desperately needed.

    This growing number of readers, in effect, had joined an exclusive group of people, who either owned "the best attainable" components or anything else within the RCL. Each issue of Stereophile validated that imaginary "membership". When the component was inevitably removed from the RCL, the reader would be strongly encouraged, with another "rave review", to "upgrade" to the latest component in the RCL, which would then "reestablish" his "exclusive membership". It was almost like the equivalent of the "Stereophile Country Club".

    This was not done overnight. It was done slowly, almost imperceptibly. The RCL (Class A) went from 9 in 1985, slowly up to 30 by 1992, a seven year process. When no one publicly complained, it went all the way up to 104 by 2000.


    The Manufacturers

    Meanwhile, the manufacturers were also very happy. Many more of them could now claim that their components were in Class A; adding "prestige" even to their less ambitious models. Plus, advertising, in the magazine that gave them this new found "status", was now of triple benefit to them:

    1. There was the increased readership from newly committed subscribers, and
    2. It augmented, and reminded these readers of, their newly elevated status in the RCL, and
    3. It also insured that Stereophile would be profitable and regularly publishing their (now valuable) RCL."


    "The Stereophile Recommended Component List is a Total Fraud"
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    It always amazed me how the ones who advertise the most in audio magazines get the best props. Just once I'd like to read how x,y, or z product sucks instead of trying to candy coat their shortcomings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    An interesting discussion of how and why the Stereophile RCL was "prostituted" in order to increase subscribers and ad revenue can be found here.
    Wow. Somebody has a grudge on their shoulder. This guy sounds like the Roger Russell of audio critics/writers.

    While I suppose it is possible, I personally seriously doubt anyone subscribes to any magazine in the hope that their gear, car, pots and pans, etc. appears on some annual list. Well, maybe Consumers Reports, but that is it.

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    DK has a point Fox. Some audiophiles are more into the stigma aspect rather than how well something works for them. If it's not rated by the likes of stereophile or others, then it doesn't belong in a true high end system....so some think. Ask yourself how many products they review that don't advertise with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    DK has a point Fox. Some audiophiles are more into the stigma aspect rather than how well something works for them. If it's not rated by the likes of stereophile or others, then it doesn't belong in a true high end system....so some think. Ask yourself how many products they review that don't advertise with them.
    I think the same can be said of ANY list by ANY publication.

    So what is the crux of the criticism - the list itself because it is a list, or the individual reviews which are then used to put on the list?

    I doubt even Stereophile knows when an item is provided for review that it will even be on their list or where it is placed (A, B, C, or whatever).

    Any list will result in generating interest (sales) to the public because it is a list of the supposed 'best of ' compiled by supposed 'experts'.

    Does that make it a 'fraud'?

    Car and Drivers Top Ten Sports Models
    Consumer Reports Top Ten Vaccuum Cleaners
    Wine Spectators Top Ten Cabernets
    The Oscars

    All will generate interest in the items on the list....cuz its a best of list.

    And anyone who has bought what is on the list will get to say that their purchase made 'the list' and anyone looking to get something highly recommended will be inclined to buy from the list.

    Again - does that make the list a fraud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Wow. Somebody has a grudge on their shoulder. This guy sounds like the Roger Russell of audio critics/writers.
    After reading the page I linked to, I did not get that impression at all. To me, he seems to be an audiophile fed up with the hyperbole and crass commercialism in the audio press.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    While I suppose it is possible, I personally seriously doubt anyone subscribes to any magazine in the hope that their gear, car, pots and pans, etc. appears on some annual list. Well, maybe Consumers Reports, but that is it.
    How many times has a newbie come to our forum to ask our opinion of "what's best", and then get pissed off at us when were tell him that they are going to have to listen to a variety of things and make up their own mind?

    Some people prefer to shop according to reviewer recommendations and price tag. "If it costs a lot, it must be good." "If it was recommended by X reviewer in Y magazine and placed highly on Z equipment list, it must be good." I personally know people like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    DK has a point Fox. Some audiophiles are more into the stigma aspect rather than how well something works for them. If it's not rated by the likes of stereophile or others, then it doesn't belong in a true high end system....so some think.
    Sad, but true. Even sadder is that all audiophiles get stereotyped as being this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Ask yourself how many products they review that don't advertise with them.
    Ask Nelson Pass about that.
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