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    Quote Originally Posted by pepster View Post
    Pixie Dust is @ $89/.005 ounce.

    Pure silver is cheaper.
    High purity Quartz crystals are much more expensive, which I believe is part of the formula he uses in making the cables. I believe they are more expensive than diamonds.

    Guys, it's not just the "play dough" on the ends of the cables making difference, it's the conductors and the surrounding in the cable.


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    Patrick said that the lowest end (White Night Blue 1m) power cable will outperform Nordost Odin and Valhalla power cables. The Odin costs about $21k for a 5m.



    So it looks like Patrick's retail price is underpriced.


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    You tend to get what you pay for, but I think Patrick's designs are giant killers. The top-of-the-line Adria comes at a cost of one million dollars, but easily outperforms power cables costing two to five million dollars. Not only that, but you get the added comfort of the warranty and replacement guarantees below:

    Lifetime warranty, lifetime insurance and low cost replacements.

    After you pay the million USD we give a lifetime warranty so you can enjoy music to the fullest for the rest of your life. If there's an accident and something happens to it, like a tank or bulldozer runs it over, we will build you another one, for the low cost of $10,000. If the cable is stolen, we will build you another one for $100,000. We want you to enjoy this cable the rest of your life without being afraid to lose it.

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    I just watched the recording of live music shows (1080i HD w/ 384kbps+ for audio) off my HTPC. I had good sound and live feel even prior to getting the White Night Power 2m cord, just goes to show how accurate the CMS65 speakers are. But watching the same performance with the White Night Power 2m plugged to speaker the upper bass (close to mid) was phenomenal. It's hard to explain. You would get analytic metallic-like sound - which I find very, very sweet addicting sound - in the upper registers say if you had a pair of high purity 100% solid silver conductor audio cable hooked up to speakers. Well, the White Night Power 2m gave the similar feeling for the low to upper bass region. I didn't know this was possible with the low range registers. Crazy.

    Also I am hearing the "background of the backgrounds" in the stage, lol. There is so much depth in the background details. Talk about ultra high resolution. There is detail in all range of spectrum, low to high.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loud & Clear View Post
    You tend to get what you pay for, but I think Patrick's designs are giant killers. The top-of-the-line Adria comes at a cost of one million dollars, but easily outperforms power cables costing two to five million dollars.
    I loved that video. I cried watching it, seriously.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYTeHv16d0

    I didn't know other places have power cables that cost two to five million dollars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    I just watched the recording of live music shows (1080i HD w/ 384kbps+ for audio) off my HTPC. I had good sound and live feel even prior to getting the White Night Power 2m cord, just goes to show how accurate the CMS65 speakers are. But watching the same performance with the White Night Power 2m plugged to speaker the upper bass (close to mid) was phenomenal. It's hard to explain. You would get analytic metallic-like sound - which I find very, very sweet addicting sound - in the upper registers say if you had a pair of high purity 100% solid silver conductor audio cable hooked up to speakers. Well, the White Night Power 2m gave the similar feeling for the low to upper bass region. I didn't know this was possible with the low range registers. Crazy.

    Also I am hearing the "background of the backgrounds" in the stage, lol. There is so much depth in the background details. Talk about ultra high resolution. There is detail in all range of spectrum, low to high.


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    Really? All that with 384kbps audio resolution? When cd quality resolution is 1411 kbps. With that much compression how can you hear any of the nuances you spout about with 70% of the audio missing? That must be one magical cable to be able to make 70% of the missing music sound like it's there and then some. That sperm wood fiber goop must have some magical properties. Can you extract....er umm I mean buy the tree sperm paste separately?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    I loved that video. I cried watching it, seriously.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYTeHv16d0

    I didn't know other places have power cables that cost two to five million dollars.



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    I'm sceptical ,do they offer free home trial?Are there any plans for companion coconutz fuses?
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    Okay that's it, I'm ordering 12 of these f'ers. Why 12 you ask? Well, when everyone comes to their senses and realize these are the next "must have" cables, I'll sell my extras at a hefty profit. Damn, I'm a freakin' genius !!Name:  th_smartass-1.gif
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    I like it! It is so off the wall

    chezzy Those lil speakers, CMS65 are only $750 each, have every heard what a large SDA Polk speaker can do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Really? All that with 384kbps audio resolution? When cd quality resolution is 1411 kbps. With that much compression how can you hear any of the nuances you spout about with 70% of the audio missing? That must be one magical cable to be able to make 70% of the missing music sound like it's there and then some. That sperm wood fiber goop must have some magical properties. Can you extract....er umm I mean buy the tree sperm paste separately?
    I disagree. It doesn't have to be lossless format to hear all sound benefits. Some HD show recordings I have are at 256kbps and has plenty of detail that can be retrieved. It depends on the recording and how well your audio equipment can convey them.

    As for the white tree fiber, I love the looks of it. I find this cable to be one of the best looking, way better than any other top-end models from high-end cable manufacturers. I still admit... I do love the looks of the Audioquest WEL Signature power cords. Very handsome looking plugs.


    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    I like it! It is so off the wall

    chezzy Those lil speakers, CMS65 are only $750 each, have every heard what a large SDA Polk speaker can do?
    You can get them for that price used (they claim new, but it's used and beatup). You *can* get them for $1800 new. I paid $2000.

    As for the Polk speakers, they are in the lower ends when it comes to detail and accuracy. It's about sound quality over quantity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    You can get them for that price used (they claim new, but it's used and beatup). You *can* get them for $1800 new. I paid $2000.

    As for the Polk speakers, they are in the lower ends when it comes to detail and accuracy. It's about sound quality over quantity.

    $749 each, with free shipping.
    http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FWbZQgodim4AEA

    Of course, they each need a $15,000 power cord to reach their potential, so maybe they aren't a very good buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    I disagree. It doesn't have to be lossless format to hear all sound benefits. Some HD show recordings I have are at 256kbps and has plenty of detail that can be retrieved. It depends on the recording and how well your audio equipment can convey them.

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    I vehemently disagree, the finest audio gear in the world cannot make compressed audio sound good.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    I vehemently disagree, the finest audio gear in the world cannot make compressed audio sound good.

    But a $12,000 PC CAN!!!!!
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    I am still loving the tape on the wall and the mouse droppings on the floor in Cheezy's pictures. Fantastic.

    And I reiterate, Cheezy, you can get CMS65s BRAND NEW in a multitude of locations online. I can also pick them up in store brand new in factory sealed boxes locally for $700 each.

    The **** you're shoveling is getting rank, Patrick's alter ego.
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    I may have an addiction... RTA-15TL, SDA 2, LSi25, LSi15, LSi9, LSi7, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LS/FX, RT/FX, DSW MP2000...and that's just the Polks...

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    A short summation....

    The cheezy (rhymes with sleazy) one comes here trying to promote a product in a positive light, but ends up shooting the product and himself clean thru the heart, dead.

    Ya gotta love it.

    Can we close (preferably delete) this thread now?
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    Stay positive, cheezy. There are a lot of angry men in this world who will try to drag you down with their anger and jealousy. Fact is, you have the white night power cables and they don't. You win. Their cables only cost four figures, which will never reveal true detail and dynamics. The meager dollar amounts simply won't allow for it. Rock on, brother!

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    This thread rocks, IB4C
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    One thing good about this thread, it's keeping my entertainment cost pretty low.

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    Thanks I needed something to put me to sleep.


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    Hey man...You must have a bigger Bong than him LOL Smokin the hubbley bubbley

    Quote Originally Posted by Loud & Clear View Post
    Stay positive, cheezy. There are a lot of angry men in this world who will try to drag you down with their anger and jealousy. Fact is, you have the white night power cables and they don't. You win. Their cables only cost four figures, which will never reveal true detail and dynamics. The meager dollar amounts simply won't allow for it. Rock on, brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    $749 each, with free shipping.
    http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FWbZQgodim4AEA

    Of course, they each need a $15,000 power cord to reach their potential, so maybe they aren't a very good buy.
    You can get any products cheaper at any place if they want to offer good sale. The retail price of a pair of CMS65 is full $2000. Anything lower than that are on sale / price drop. However, I paid over $2000 (due to shipping).

    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    I vehemently disagree, the finest audio gear in the world cannot make compressed audio sound good.
    I kindly disagree. You can have a recording in lossless format but sound crappy due to poor quality recording. Interestingly, there are details revealed that I couldn't hear before, with compressed audio file. Also the way the details are conveyed, is different too, or call it sound representation.

    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    But a $12,000 PC CAN!!!!!
    Good post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loud & Clear View Post
    Stay positive, cheezy. There are a lot of angry men in this world who will try to drag you down with their anger and jealousy. Fact is, you have the white night power cables and they don't. You win. Their cables only cost four figures, which will never reveal true detail and dynamics. The meager dollar amounts simply won't allow for it. Rock on, brother!
    Thanks for the advice. It is appreciated. You are so true about who's got the cable.:D I will stand firm! :D


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    This thread rocks, IB4C
    Thanks. I want everyone to enjoy.



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    I gotta ask. If your spending 50k for your purchase, why not the extra 2 for a flight to pick them up in person ? Meet the maker and get the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumlie View Post
    I gotta ask. If your spending 50k for your purchase, why not the extra 2 for a flight to pick them up in person ? Meet the maker and get the tour.
    I am not that rich. But I was thinking about flying over there and meet Patrick. I would be honored. Want to shake hands and hug. He rocks. Loving my 2m cable.

    It looks I have someone (Patrick) who will take care of my cable needs in the future. He has also been very helpful answering my questions about audio. I will not look at Audioquest, Wireworld, Kimber, Nordost, or any other... they are overpriced for the performance you get. I have tried some pretty expensive cables from them before but wasn't that great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    Hey man...You must have a bigger Bong than him LOL Smokin the hubbley bubbley
    I think Loud & Clear is patronizing him...and I find it hilarious, especially when cheezy thanks him for his positive comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    I will not look at Audioquest, Wireworld, Kimber, Nordost, or any other... they are overpriced for the performance you get. I have tried some pretty expensive cables from them before but wasn't that great.


    cheezie
    But $20K-100K (Coconut Audio) cables are worth the money for the performance they present into $800 speakers run by a run of the mill HTPC playing compressed audio? I see, guess I've been going about this hobby all wrong for the past 30 years.

    So glad you came along to open my eyes and soon my ears. Cheezy you are my audio hero

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    But $20K-100K (Coconut Audio) cables are worth the money for the performance they present into $800 speakers run by a run of the mill HTPC playing compressed audio? I see, guess I've been going about this hobby all wrong for the past 30 years.

    So glad you came along to open my eyes and soon my ears. Cheezy you are my audio hero

    H9
    From what I heard, speakers and cables don't apply the same rule as far as price-to-performance is concerned. The cable from a given manufacturer, the performance goes up as the price goes up, and the bigger and longer it is, for better sound. But for speakers, you can't go bigger as it will have larger drivers and require more current. This creates more electrical noise and infest the audio components = worsen the sound. I learned this. Really good info.

    This is the reason why I didn't go with a bigger pair of speakers. Originally I was going to use CMS40 for the super-expensive power cables, to use it as a tool to check sound. But the CMS65 to me, is a better platform to start with as it has plenty of room in the frequency response, and the sound is more mature. The power draw is not too bad either. I have listened to other loudspeakers that are used for HT but they don't sound as good (detail and accuracy).

    CMS50 can be had for $1600. For CMS65, $2000+.

    I have various formats of audio, lossy and lossless. But the sound largely depends on how well the recording was performed, not the bit rates. One of the examples would be lossless 24-bit 192 khz audio where people couldn't hear any difference over the lossless 16 bit 44.1k, and can't hear the difference over the 320kbps audio... People complain they sound too soft and heard no better details.

    :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    I am not that rich. But I was thinking about flying over there and meet Patrick. I would be honored. Want to shake hands and hug. He rocks. Loving my 2m cable.

    It looks I have someone (Patrick) who will take care of my cable needs in the future. He has also been very helpful answering my questions about audio. I will not look at Audioquest, Wireworld, Kimber, Nordost, or any other... they are overpriced for the performance you get. I have tried some pretty expensive cables from them before but wasn't that great.


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    oh my god just go away^^^^
    please someone make it stop already....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    From what I heard, speakers and cables don't apply the same rule as far as price-to-performance is concerned. The cable from a given manufacturer, the performance goes up as the price goes up, and the bigger and longer it is, for better sound. But for speakers, you can't go bigger as it will have larger drivers and require more current. This creates more electrical noise and infest the audio components = worsen the sound. I learned this. Really good info.

    This is the reason why I didn't go with a bigger pair of speakers. Originally I was going to use CMS40 for the super-expensive power cables, to use it as a tool to check sound. But the CMS65 to me, is a better platform to start with as it has more room in the full spectrum of the frequencies, and the sound is more mature. I have listened to other loudspeakers used for HT but they don't sound as good (detail and accuracy).

    CMS50 can be had for $1600. For CMS65, $2000+.

    I have various formats of audio, lossy and lossless. But the sound partially depends on how well the recording was performed, not the bit rates. One of the examples would be lossless 24-bit 192 khz audio where people couldn't hear any difference over the lossless 16 bit 44.1k, and can't hear the difference over the 320kbps audio... People complain they sound too soft and heard no better details.

    :D

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