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    So I am all set with my speakers. I have a pair of lsim speakers for front speakers and the 706c for center. Now I am thinking am I doing these speakers justice with 256kbs iTunes music or should I get a high end cd player. Will I notice a difference? I'm thinking about going with an emotiva erc2 player.

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    It all starts with the source, garbage in equals garbage out. That said, if you are using an AVR for music, it will limit the benefit of a better source. I'm sure I'll catch flack for this, while that CDP will sound better than your current source, it is not high end.
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    I would, I use a higher end Marantz CD player. It sounds great. A good vinyl record on a good turntable sounds even better!!

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    If you aren't afraid of the used market, there are FAR better CDP options out there for far less money. And that's with first-hand experience with the Emo player. My current Pioneer Elite DV-47a plays DVD-A, CDs and SACDs and was picked up on Craigslist for $50.
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    Sheesh...they still make CD players? Get yourself a SONOS or Squeezebox & start enjoying your musical journey. And don't pay any attention about the AVR not delivering the goods. Hell those guys that believe that still use CD players, what the hell do they know.
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    Here's a Great one. It's the same one I have, Only 500 were made!

    I'd hold out for one in better shape. Mine was 9/10, maybe 9.5/10 and I paid $1850!! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post
    Here's a Great one. It's the same one I have, Only 500 were made!

    I'd hold out for one in better shape. Mine was 9/10, maybe 9.5/10 and I paid $1850!! :)

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cd-...-digital-94044

    Nope not willing to pay that much. I think what I am going to do is just rip the cds using a high end encoder. then stream it through my AVR. I have an onkyo 3008. That should be good enough

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    Sure they still make CD players, but they put a big label 'Blue Ray Disc' on them to confuse audiophiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedskater View Post
    Sure they still make CD players, but they put a big label 'Blue Ray Disc' on them to confuse audiophiles.

    LOL, Both my disc players play SACDs, Only one plays Blu-Ray.

    Personally if I started right now I would never have set up this system:



    I would set up 5 to 8 Zones of SONOS in my house and I wouldn't rip my CDs, I'd use rdio.com and/or my existing iTunes/iCloud match.

    The cost it takes to create that room above for me is not cost effective (hopefully my wife does not see this! LOL) I just don't have the time to sit and enjoy SACDs and listen to my SDA effect.

    I'm usually running around like a crazy loon and music all over the house works much better.

    Currently I have 5 zones of SONOS, 2 Connects to connect to my Existing Stereo Systems, 2 PLAY5's to bring where I need music, 1 Connect Amp that I use in the living room with a small pair of Polks I had laying around.

    When I first got the SONOS I started ripping all my CDs and then my wife said "Hey I have a rdio.com account, why don't you just use it instead of ripping CDs?" and you know what?, She was correct. Spooling from rdio.com for $10 a month is so much easier.

    I only really need to rip the obscure CDs that they don't have, And Led Zepplin, They don't have rights to LED ZEPPLIN!!!!
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    Robert,

    I assume you have a TV since you say you have a center channel speaker.

    What DVD/BR player do you use?

    I'd get an OPPO; http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/

    Plays DVDs, BR & SACD. I have one, it's a Great Player!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0507 View Post
    So I am all set with my speakers. I have a pair of lsim speakers for front speakers and the 706c for center. Now I am thinking am I doing these speakers justice with 256kbs iTunes music or should I get a high end cd player. Will I notice a difference? I'm thinking about going with an emotiva erc2 player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post
    LOL, Both my disc players play SACDs, Only one plays Blu-Ray.

    Personally if I started right now I would never have set up this system:



    I would set up 5 to 8 Zones of SONOS in my house and I wouldn't rip my CDs, I'd use rdio.com and/or my existing iTunes/iCloud match.

    The cost it takes to create that room above for me is not cost effective (hopefully my wife does not see this! LOL) I just don't have the time to sit and enjoy SACDs and listen to my SDA effect.

    I'm usually running around like a crazy loon and music all over the house works much better.

    Currently I have 5 zones of SONOS, 2 Connects to connect to my Existing Stereo Systems, 2 PLAY5's to bring where I need music, 1 Connect Amp that I use in the living room with a small pair of Polks I had laying around.

    When I first got the SONOS I started ripping all my CDs and then my wife said "Hey I have a rdio.com account, why don't you just use it instead of ripping CDs?" and you know what?, She was correct. Spooling from rdio.com for $10 a month is so much easier.

    I only really need to rip the obscure CDs that they don't have, And Led Zepplin, They don't have rights to LED ZEPPLIN!!!!

    Damn now that's a setup....my wife is going to HATE YOU...LOL...TIME TO HIT UP AUDIOGON!!!

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    ok ok must put credit card away..must put cred....noooo.....lol

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    Actually, that Emotiva is supposed to be a decent player. Yeah, it's not High End but it's OK. I find Onkyos, and I own one (maybe not a 300X but the old 805 is sonically, believe it or not, at least in two channel, not that far from the much more expensive 3008!), to be a little BRIGHT on the top end regardless of what CDP you use? So F1nut has a good point.

    When I do two channel for critical listening, I almost always run the Jolida tube products below. The CDP is very nice, with good tubes it will rival units at twice its price and it's NOT cheap at over 1.3K MSRP. Excluding "tube" upgrades, that is!

    At this point, I have too much invested in "tube" equipment to abandon the CD format and SONOS myself DAC-NAM style into the 21st century. And I'm not sure that would "sound" better, in any case! I've heard some very nice DACs in that 1K-1.5K range and I still prefer my CDP to them, more "warmth", more musical!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post

    When I first got the SONOS I started ripping all my CDs and then my wife said "Hey I have a rdio.com account, why don't you just use it instead of ripping CDs?" and you know what?, She was correct. Spooling from rdio.com for $10 a month is so much easier.

    I only really need to rip the obscure CDs that they don't have, And Led Zepplin, They don't have rights to LED ZEPPLIN!!!!

    Sal, what's the sound quality like on rdio.com ? I couldn't find any technical info.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert0507 View Post
    Do I need a high end cd player?
    No.

    So I am all set with my speakers. I have a pair of lsim speakers for front speakers and the 706c for center. Now I am thinking am I doing these speakers justice with 256kbs iTunes music or should I get a high end cd player. Will I notice a difference? I'm thinking about going with an emotiva erc2 player.
    320 kbps mp3's or lossless WAV will be just fine. Instead of getting a high-end CD player, I would invest on a nice set of power cables for your amp (receiver) since you're running passive.


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    why power cables

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    I am looking to pickup a outlaw audio mono amp model 200m. its 200 watts. If I can score three of these I will use them for the LCR. Anyone has an opinion on these?

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    I have an outlaw and I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    No.


    320 kbps mp3's or lossless WAV will be just fine. Instead of getting a high-end CD player, I would invest on a nice set of power cables for your amp (receiver) since you're running passive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    No.


    320 kbps mp3's or lossless WAV will be just fine. Instead of getting a high-end CD player, I would invest on a nice set of power cables for your amp (receiver) since you're running passive.


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    Seriously? The guy is looking to improve his sound and you're telling him that his best bet is to play lossy music with expensive power cables? Go away troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezy View Post
    320 kbps mp3's or lossless WAV will be just fine. Instead of getting a high-end CD player, I would invest on a nice set of power cables for your amp (receiver) since you're running passive.


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    robert, Oppo is kind of the default for an all-in-one solution right now. You could look at a new 103, or go a few years back and get an 83-SE. There are two right now on the 'gon for roughly $450. The difference is in the DAC. If you just want a standalone CDP at a few bills, you might look into the Rotel RCD-1072. I've personally never heard one, but I have seen many people whose ears I respect promote this product.

    An alternative route is to go computer-based and just get you a DAC w/ async USB. This option is what led me to the 105 being my next source. It's a universal player and damn near replaces your receiver. It has 2 HDMI inputs as well as an async USB input that utillizes the Sabre chip. Its likely out of your budget at $1200 though.



    PS - your speakers will never shine on that Onkyo, especially for music. Just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    robert, Oppo is kind of the default for an all-in-one solution right now. You could look at a new 103, or go a few years back and get an 83-SE. There are two right now on the 'gon for roughly $450. The difference is in the DAC. If you just want a standalone CDP at a few bills, you might look into the Rotel RCD-1072. I've personally never heard one, but I have seen many people whose ears I respect promote this product.

    An alternative route is to go computer-based and just get you a DAC w/ async USB. This option is what led me to the 105 being my next source. It's a universal player and damn near replaces your receiver. It has 2 HDMI inputs as well as an async USB input that utillizes the Sabre chip. Its likely out of your budget at $1200 though.



    PS - your speakers will never shine on that Onkyo, especially for music. Just sayin.
    ok so do you think the oppo 103 would be worth it. Or can I go with an older oppo like the 83 and still have a decent "DAC"

    How would that bypass my onkyo 3008 avr?....

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    I actually have my music coming from my pc via hdmi on my 680 gtx video card.

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    The 103 is a nice player and many people enjoy it. The 83 SE has the Sabre 32-bit DAC in it, whereas the 103/83 do not. They still have nice 24-bit chips in them though. I'd assume the 103 has more bells/whistles than the 83/83SE, but I don't really know as I've focused all my attention on the 105.
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    yeah I am about to buy the 103. Now I need a second sub. I have hsu vtf ho with the turbo add on. I am thinking about adding the mbm mid bass sub to this for the 80 to 50 Hz range.

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