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    Default Bob Carver LLC bought out by Emotiva...

    Emotiva apparently has bought out Bob Carver LLC... Link here...

    Sorry if you had your brains explode all over your monitor, but it happened to us too. As revealed in this week's Emotiva Podcast, Emotiva has acquired Bob Carver LLC. Emotiva, long known to the Audioholics of the world as the go-to manufacturer for Internet Direct amplifiers, has a history of providing solid-state amplifiers at a fraction of the price of the brick and mortar competition. Bob Carver, a literal giant (but not too literal, like Fezzik) in the field of amplifiers, has a long history in the world of high-end audio through his companies, which include the well-respected Sunfire.

    Bob Carver LLC is a new start-up from Carver that is focused on tube amps (as we reported here and here). Carver and partner Bob Farinelli started the company a few years ago. Farinelli is reportedly leaving to focus on his own automation company Smart Farm, LLC. Carver will begin working with Emotiva and his technologies will be integrated into both the Emotiva lineup and the Sherbourn line that Emotiva's parent company (Jade) acquired a few years ago.

    While the announcement may be a bit premature, Emotiva has promised that the deal is all but done and that Emotiva will immediately take over production of the Bob Carver LLC. lineup of products. Keeping in the spirit of the original Bob Carver LLC products, all the original products will still be made in the Unites States at the Emotiva facilities.

    This is an exciting development for all those interested in tube amps but not interested in their traditionally high cost. While we expect the Sherbourn products to be as expensive as custom installer products tend to be, we wonder what will end up in the Internet direct store on the Emotiva side. Carver's products have been traditionally sold exclusively through custom shops, so this is a big change for him.

    Carver, reportedly, will be "deeply involved" in R&D at Emotiva—news that has vast implications for the future of Emotiva's offerings. On top of all this, with Carver's work with Sunfire, a company known not only for amplifiers but subwoofers, more changes in Emotiva's offerings are surely on the horizon. Dan Laufman, Emotiva Principal, said on the podcast, “We’re going to make a very, very serious effort in the high-performance subwoofer category."

    Carver will be integrated into the Emotiva company in a design and development side. This mean Carver will be able to focus on coming up with new and interesting technologies and solutions while allowing Emotiva to focus on production and sales.

    We, for one, are pretty excited to see how this all plays out.

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    Hello, Jon. Not trying to burst your bubble but this is old news. We have already known about this for a short stint. Just an FYI.

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    I heard about this on a thread here but not all these details you posted. I thought this was a solid state thing but does this mean we could see a monster power emotiva tube amp?

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    Someone know why the other thread was locked down? were we spilling the beans a little too early?

    we were like 10post in and LOCK

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    The original thread on this was locked down presumably because the usual Emo bashing started... though honestly, I thought everyone was pretty civil for once. Perhaps it was just a precautionary measure.
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    Kids are watching a movie. Looks like I better get some popcorn before it's all gone. Heck, might as well make myself a bag.

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    Can ya throw some in a bowl for me Dave?
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    I personally am looking forward to see what they come up with..
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    *Back Pedal Back Pedal Back Pedal* (goes all the bashers)

    This is an odd but neat transaction.
    Carver, reportedly, will be "deeply involved" in R&D at Emotiva
    Maybe this will turn the company around for the "Way Mo Better"!

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    I actually thought this acquisition of "Carver" made by Emo would drive the prices up but I got an answer from Dan Laufmann of Emo saying that would not happen and possibly bring prices down further and the NEW products made by the Two will be Designed and Manufactured in the USA..
    That will make a lot of people SMILE here..

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    Lower prices and made in the USA? I call BS, unless they have even less quality. I have nothing against American Made products, but generally since labor and other cost is higher so is the final product cost.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    That was what I thought, but Dan posted for all to see that prices are not going up, and are being made in USA..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhayman View Post
    Dan Laufmann of Emo saying ... NEW products made by the Two will be Designed and Manufactured in the USA.
    If this is true, I'll throw my business their way.
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    The question has to be what his definition of "made" is then.
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    IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?
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    @matis ..lets hope for both cause I see this as a good thing for both Bob Carver and Big Dan over at Emotvia!Bob Carver will and He is A Very Very close Friend of Big Dan be Involved with ANY and ALL tube amp designs!Da Master Jedi Has Returned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mantis View Post
    IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?
    Not if they sound the way they do now. Price doesn't always equate to quality or superb performance, but in GENERAL this holds true unless Coconuts are involved.

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    real curious to see the new products

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantis View Post
    IF Emotiva charged twice or 3 times as much as they do now for their products , would that make them better or more desirable?
    It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers.

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    From my understanding, they had been talking about doing a tube pre for a while... so I'm wondering if this was just a natural evolution of them talking to Carver about that. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it, both with Carver's products and with future Emotiva designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntasensei View Post
    From my understanding, they had been talking about doing a tube pre for a while... so I'm wondering if this was just a natural evolution of them talking to Carver about that. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it, both with Carver's products and with future Emotiva designs.
    Certainly can't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Price doesn't always equate to quality or superb performance, but in GENERAL this holds true unless Coconuts are involved.

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    From memory, might have messed it up a bit....

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    But a ant carry 100 times its weight upside down
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers.
    You just hit da nail on the head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    It depends. If the price increase is due to using the best parts, and innovative R&D in audio circuit design then yes. My guess with this purchase is they want to diversify their product line, and offer a move up path for their customers.
    That's a slippery slope and can be very, very difficult to accomplish.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Should be interesting to see what new products make it to market...
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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    That's a slippery slope and can be very, very difficult to accomplish.
    Why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    Why ?
    Good question,I think I get what h9 is saying cost,design, and labor don't always = out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    The question has to be what his definition of "made" is then.
    Does assembled from Chinese parts by Chinese built robots on American soil count as made in the USA?
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