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    Hi all

    Currently my HT setup is 5.1 and I am happy. Its there a benefit by adding the two back surrounds the only problem I see is that my couch is against the back wall and my surrounds are on the sides walls aim in an angle towards the couch and a bit to the center of the room. If I add the two back they will be place above the couch on the sides pointing downward to the center of the room.

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    Most people are going to say that you should stick with 5.1. You're going to hear, "A well-placed 5.1 system is better than a poorly placed 7.1 system" ad nauseum.

    However, most big-name Hollywood flicks are now done in 7.1 theatrically, so sticking to 5.1 doesn't get you an accurate representation of the theatrical mix in those cases. I'm in a similar boat to you, in that my couch was against the back wall. However, I pulled the couch a foot away from the wall and put surround backs up on B-tech mounts so that they're aimed down to my listening area. With a little careful tweaking of distance settings, I get a very solid rear soundstage, which proponents of 5.1 will tell you shouldn't be the case. Another less popular option would be placing the speakers on the floor behind the couch, aiming straight up. It may not look great, but it actually sounds pretty decent.

    So is there a benefit? YES. The benefit is that you can't play a movie mixed for 7.1 on a 5.1 system and get the same sound you would have in the theater. Whether you can make it work in your room is the question... and I say roll the dice. Worked for me! (And worst case scenario, you get stuck with the speakers and try them as height channels or width channels instead.)
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    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
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    7.1 is only better in these situations.
    1. If you have a room to have a good distance from side to rear surrounds.
    2. If the source has discrete 7.1 channels like new movies off of blu-ray disc otherwise receiver simulates 5.1 to 7.1 which may or may not be as good.
    3. If you have weird room setup and like more presence in the back.

    Otherwise, 5.1 would be enough.
    I have a small room but use 7.1 because my side surrounds are setup little odd due to weird fireplace location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntasensei View Post
    "A well-placed 5.1 system is better than a poorly placed 7.1 system"
    Like he said. +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntasensei View Post
    "A well-placed 5.1 system is better than a poorly placed 7.1 system"
    Quote Originally Posted by teekay0007 View Post
    Like he said. +1
    That's true and everyone says that but not a good comparison.

    A good comparison would be "A well-placed 7.1 vs a well placed 5.1" and I'm pretty confident 7.1 will be better as long as source has 7.1 channels.

    Nowadays, people even use front fill or presence speakers in addition to 7.1.
    Last edited by Mystery; 04-05-2013 at 03:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystery View Post
    Nowadays, people even use front fill or presence speakers in addition to 7.1.
    Don't be scared... I'm running a 9.2 setup and height channels are AWESOME.
    Equipment list:
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    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
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    You guys are all rookies... move on up to an 11.2 system & be prepared to be dazzled. Now of course this is strictly room dependant but if you have the space go for it. Wait till Dolby releases their new "Atmos" system, I believe it'll be over 60 speakers in the theater. Dang!!! My front & presence speakers really add another whole dimension to movie soundtracks.
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    Rotel RMB-1075 / 5 channel amp
    TEAC UD - 501 DAC
    Oppo BDP-93
    SONOS System
    KEF Q900 / mains
    KEF Q600 / center
    KEF Q800 / surrounds
    KEF Q100 / rear surr.
    Def Tech ProMonitor 1000 / front & rear presence
    Velodyne SPL-1200R subs / dual pair
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    If you have the room and if you watch most of your movies on bluray I would say go for it. If youre like me and rent all your movies from Apple TV (unless its a blockbuster like sherlock, BatMan or iron man) I would stick to 5.1

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    Good price on the speakers. I could be wrong,but it sounds that if you want to go from 5.1 to 7.1, you may want to look into di-pole/bi-pole speakers. Sure, you could probably make front firing speakers work, with some degree of success, but I would probably go the other direction. Just something to think about.

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    I had a nice 7.1 system. Sold it all. Now rocking 2.0 and havent looked back.
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything

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    I've used a 7.1 from the beginning trying rears, heights and wides. My AVR does a tremendous job at matrixing the wide channel. Plus, I use an extra set of towers in the wide spot and my front stage is doubled in sound at all the right moments.
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    Hey thanks to all for the comments and recommendations. I think for now I will stick with 5.1 is doing fine and it seems that I will be moving to a new place in the summer so I will wait till then. But I may still grab those RTi4 for 119.00 this week is a good deal..
    AVR-Onkyo709
    AMP- Parasound 2125, Adcom 585
    Mains for HT and some Music- RTi12s
    Main for Music only- Linn Keilidh or Usher V-601
    PreAmp for Music: B&K AVP-3090
    Rear- RTi8s
    Center-CSi5
    Sub-JBL L8400P 12"
    Player- Oppo BDP-103
    TT: Philips 406
    Phono Pre-Amp: BBE FJB-200X

    Bedroom rig:
    Pionner Elite VSX-30
    Onkyo CS-5VL SACD Player
    Polk Audio LS70
    Hunting for a sub...

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