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    Default West, TX Explosion

    Prayers sent to the families affected by this

    http://www.kens5.com/news/Powerful-e...203510211.html

    Video of the explosion. It's not graphic, but it might not be for the light hearted
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    I'm thankful I no longer have family in West. My great-grandmother was born from emigrants and she lived in West her whole life. West holds a special place in our family and it's disheartening to see this happened to such a great town.



    Sadly, if only 15 people are taken by this, I see that as a miracle in and of itself. Leveling 4 blocks, including homes, is no joke.

    The explosion that struck around 8 p.m. leveled a four-block area around the plant that a member of the city council, Al Vanek, said was "totally decimated." The toll included 50 to 75 houses, an apartment complex with about 50 units that one state police officer said was reduced to "a skeleton," a middle school and the West Rest Haven Nursing Home, from which first-responders evacuated 133 patients, some in wheelchairs.

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    A guy's wife off another forum has been on the scene from Dallas. He said "In the beginning of the fire, 5 volunteer firemen were fighting the fire. Then the plant exploded. The only thing found from those firemen has been a door from their firetruck. They are believed to have been disintegrated in the blast. Very sad."

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    Very sad. We stop in that town every time we head down to San Antonio, it's one of my favorite places.

    Also, who decided it was a good idea to build a fertilizer plant so close to a residential area? I realize that **** happens and these things don't frequently blow up, but seriously we've got plenty of land here in Texas...just build that thing a few miles outside of town. If it's the other way around and they built houses close to the plant then that's equally questionable. I realize that in cities it's hard to NOT have residential and industrial right next to each other, but there is LOTS of land in that part of the state so I don't get building them so close together. This isn't a doll factory or a bakery that exploded, it's a fertilizer plant and it's common knowledge that this stuff poses a higher risk than, say, making chocolate.
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    Sad indeed. A wife's friend has family that lived near the plant -- they saw the fire and evacuated. Their house was flattened.

    Sad if accidental -- even sadder if intentional.

    Not as high-profile as Boston, but probably worse.

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    About 20 miles form my house. Didn't feel it here, but my goodness what a tragedy. As of right now they are saying that they have enough blood, but shelter is going to be a real need. A 50 unit apartment complex was leveled. Just really sad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    Very sad. We stop in that town every time we head down to San Antonio, it's one of my favorite places.

    Also, who decided it was a good idea to build a fertilizer plant so close to a residential area? I realize that **** happens and these things don't frequently blow up, but seriously we've got plenty of land here in Texas...just build that thing a few miles outside of town. If it's the other way around and they built houses close to the plant then that's equally questionable. I realize that in cities it's hard to NOT have residential and industrial right next to each other, but there is LOTS of land in that part of the state so I don't get building them so close together. This isn't a doll factory or a bakery that exploded, it's a fertilizer plant and it's common knowledge that this stuff poses a higher risk than, say, making chocolate.

    Would have to agree with you, why build so close to a potential fire-explosion plant? greed? poor planing? no fore sight or no common sense. In a city close to me in the middle of a residential area there was a propane storage transfer station, one day it blew up, burned and the damage was extensive to the houses. The question everybody was asking why was that transfer station located there? don't remember who was there first the plant or homes. Same argument about the house that were flooded with oil by a ruptured oil pipeline that were built so close to the pipeline. just saying

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    The same argument can be made for building near any plant that produces fine particle dust.
    Grain elevators, flour and sugar plants...heck even chocolate powder or coffee creamer can be explosive if airborne ignition occurs.

    Granted, the byproducts of most fertilizers are incrementally more explosive but until you have seen a grain dust explosion, don't underestimate it.

    Sugar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7mL...708253FDCC9067

    Creamer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRw4Z...708253FDCC9067

    Saw dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPL7KC1DEA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPIZ5Movuiw

    Grain dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQhwC_9LHo
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    Have to agree on the placement of such so close to residential, schools, Nursing homes. Why on earth would village planners allow the risk ? Not like Texas is cramped for room. Somebody down there needs to get their collective heads out of their arses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZLTFUL View Post
    The same argument can be made for building near any plant that produces fine particle dust.
    Grain elevators, flour and sugar plants...heck even chocolate powder or coffee creamer can be explosive if airborne ignition occurs.

    Granted, the byproducts of most fertilizers are incrementally more explosive but until you have seen a grain dust explosion, don't underestimate it.

    Sugar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7mL...708253FDCC9067

    Creamer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRw4Z...708253FDCC9067

    Saw dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPL7KC1DEA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPIZ5Movuiw

    Grain dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQhwC_9LHo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM4GW7z0Xz8
    You are exactly right. I was part of a restoration of a plant that sent concrete for 3 miles.

    http://labs.lib.ksu.edu/dlib/grainEl...82/index.shtml

    The current supervisor of the plant is a survivor of the explosion. Believe me, there are no words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZLTFUL View Post
    The same argument can be made for building near any plant that produces fine particle dust.
    Grain elevators, flour and sugar plants...heck even chocolate powder or coffee creamer can be explosive if airborne ignition occurs.

    Granted, the byproducts of most fertilizers are incrementally more explosive but until you have seen a grain dust explosion, don't underestimate it.

    Sugar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7mL...708253FDCC9067

    Creamer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRw4Z...708253FDCC9067

    Saw dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPL7KC1DEA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPIZ5Movuiw

    Grain dust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQhwC_9LHo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM4GW7z0Xz8
    None of the videos show any residential homes etc close to the sugar refinery and grain silo. the other videos are controlled and forced demos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosedagain View Post
    None of the videos show any residential homes etc close to the sugar refinery and grain silo. the other videos are controlled and forced demos.
    Do you even know where FT Wentworth is? Not close to what? I-25 goes right through the residential. There are houses in the back ground at 1:09 of the first vid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDA1C View Post
    Do you even know where FT Wentworth is? Not close to what? I-25 goes right through the residential. There are houses in the back ground at 1:09 of the first vid.
    ops sorry I missed it, thanks for pointing it out, meant to say in my post "I didn't notice any homes" So what if I don't know where Ft Wentworth is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDA1C View Post
    Do you even know where FT Wentworth is? Not close to what? I-25 goes right through the residential. There are houses in the back ground at 1:09 of the first vid.
    ops sorry I missed it, thanks for pointing it out, meant to say in my post "I didn't notice any homes" So what if I don't know where Ft Wentworth is?

    Maybe its Pt Wentworth not FT Wentworth, do a Google earth and see how far those houses are,

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    Go to ANY farm town in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Dakotas, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri and take a look around.
    Houses built right next store to megalithic grain elevators. Every single one with the potential to release an explosion that could level a good portion of those towns.

    I was interviewing for a job in NW Iowa last fall in the middle of harvest time. The corn and soybean dust was so thick that it looked like fog. One errant spark would have caused an inferno that would have wiped the "tiny" town of 3500 people off the map.

    My point was that anything that produces dust, even if the material tends to not be considered dangerous as an explosive, has the potential to cause massive explosions and fires.
    The other point was that it is a calculated risk in every instance. You build a grain elevator in the middle of a town because it is usually the center of a county. There are usually rail lines that go through and other resources are centralized in that area. You build it knowing the risks but take precautions to minimize them.

    Take a look at the El Dorado, Kansas oil refinery and tell me that isn't a disaster waiting to happen.

    Your *argument* that the other demonstrations are forced and controlled is moot. The potential for disaster is there. Those were examples of how explosive things like saw dust, coffee creamer, grain dust, et all can be.
    Dust explosions require 4 catalysts.
    1. Fuel (dust)
    2. Oxygen (last I check, there was oxygen in air and air is everywhere within the atmosphere...)
    3. Ignition source (it only takes one static spark)
    4. Confined space (most of these dust creating products are stored in them)

    Another one is chemical fires...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqCNuwJyyHM
    This happened in the city I live in. The plant is surrounded by office buildings, warehousing and production facilities.

    Sometimes, you don't even need anything but air to cause an explosion. Backdraft explosions happen quite frequently in residential fires...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FJT2QU-xgM

    Accidents happen. They suck. But consider how many potentially explosive facilities reside in areas where accidents like this could happen every day but don't.
    It's purely luck of the draw. Conditions have to be exactly right for something like this explosion to occur. And those chances were deemed well within the acceptable risk levels set forth by which ever governing body granted the building permits.
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    Good news today that all my extended family was not near the blast. My mom was watching the news and they showed what was left of a house that had been burned to the ground. Turns out it was one of her Aunt's houses that she went to many times during summers. She couldn't say for sure since the house was gone, but the garage was still there and location was spot on. I think it was a little surreal to her.

    I expect my Grandfather is quite concerned over the whole situation. I haven't had a chance to talk to him, but he grew up in West and still has many friends in the area, some of which might have very well been residents in the nursing home. He used to be friends with the volunteer Fire Dept., but not sure if any of those guys are still active. The entire fire dept. in West is volunteer-based, so I'm not sure what kind of benefits were offered to them. I'm hoping there is something in place as they deserve just as much as any other fireman does. I'm waiting to hear more and see if there is any information on that and if a fund gets set up to help those families.

    http://www.cityofwest.com/city-services/west-fire-dept



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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-injured.html
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    Our prayers and best wishes are with you all.

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    I would be curiouse to know wich was there first. The plant could have been outside of town and the town just kept creeping closer.

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    We always stop in West when driving from Fort Worth to places such as College Station, San Antonio, and Houston. Absolutely amazing and terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosedagain View Post
    ops sorry I missed it, thanks for pointing it out, meant to say in my post "I didn't notice any homes" So what if I don't know where Ft Wentworth is?

    Maybe its Pt Wentworth not FT Wentworth, do a Google earth and see how far those houses are,
    HAHA You'er funny. It's FT Wentworth. If you did a search yourself you might learn something. Then again...you might not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDA1C View Post
    HAHA You'er funny. It's FT Wentworth. If you did a search yourself you might learn something. Then again...you might not.
    OK truce, what does the "FT" stand for? Fort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDA1C View Post
    HAHA You'er funny. It's FT Wentworth. If you did a search yourself you might learn something. Then again...you might not.
    Have some respect and take this somewhere else. A bunch of people lost their lives and you're arguing over the spelling of a town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exalted512 View Post
    Have some respect and take this somewhere else. A bunch of people lost their lives and you're arguing over the spelling of a town.
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    ^^^^^ +1

    Thoughts and prayers going out to these folks and their families.

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