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    Well there seems to be no laws yet because no kid has electrocuted himself yet.

    Here is some info on the J1772 connector. They built it with safety in mind.

    http://celticsolar.blogspot.com/2009...ctric.html?m=1


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    In addition to the fast charging options, there are safety and durability considerations. Multiple levels of shock protection are built into J1772 including ground-fault protection, "finger-safe" sleeved prongs and enhanced cable insulation make it safe rain or shine. Another safety feature prevents the vehicle from driving away if you accidentally leave the plug connected.

    This connector is tough. "You can literally drive over the plug, hose it down with water and plug in 10,000 times.", said GM Engineering Specialist and SAE Charging Station Chairman, Gery Kissel. "Try that with an extension cord!", Kissel continued on VoltAge.com. Oh, and did I mention there’s a flashlight designed into the charge cord plug so that it will be easier to plug in at night?





    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Ya know, looking at these last pics Sal, thought of another issue you may want to check into. I see a car unattended with high voltage going to it out in the driveway. What say a kid comes along.......maybe wise to check with your homeowners/auto insurance guy about that.

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    Wouldn't this cord design question be an issue in a public charger also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disneyjoe7 View Post
    Wouldn't this cord design question be an issue in a public charger also?
    Yep it would. It's just like everything else. If a punk kid wants to throw a match down your gas hole and blow up the car and himself what can you do. Hopefully nobody cuts my J1772 connector off because a new connector and cable costs around $250!
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    Glad to know those safety features are there Sal. No kid being killed yet ? That's kinda the point, to avoid it. Nobody wants that to happen. Seeing this is private property though, you have to ask yourself how culpable are you in any given situation. I would imagine if the car was parked in the garage with the door closed would be an optimal scenario.

    Now, public chargers ? Who knows....can't imagine they all are going balls out for top of the line chargers and connectors though. Seeing that these plugs cost some coinage, wouldn't vandalism also be a concern on an unattended car ?

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    This movie comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Megadeth View Post
    This movie comes to mind.
    Why does that movie come mind?, Nissan has been working on the Leaf for 20 years. NJ has not charged me sales tax on the $34,000 sticker price, that's $2800 savings right there. The Fed Gov is giving me $7500 off my 2013 taxes because I bought this car and the cost of electricity to go 300 miles costs 1/5 to 1/6 the price it used cost me in Gas. To me the car is the complete opposite of a money pit.



    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Glad to know those safety features are there Sal. No kid being killed yet ? That's kinda the point, to avoid it. Nobody wants that to happen. Seeing this is private property though, you have to ask yourself how culpable are you in any given situation. I would imagine if the car was parked in the garage with the door closed would be an optimal scenario.
    Yep, Need to clean out the Garage, way too much crap in there to park the car inside. I need two weeks and a Dumpster. It's very difficult when you work 16 to 20 hours a day. Just no free time to clean the garage.

    But I do live on a good block, no stupid kids or punks around.

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Now, public chargers ? Who knows....can't imagine they all are going balls out for top of the line chargers and connectors though. Seeing that these plugs cost some coinage, wouldn't vandalism also be a concern on an unattended car ?
    The home chargers run from $750 to $2000.00, the ones in the Parking decks and eventually on the street cost thousands of dollars. All of the Public ones connect via the internet and allow updates to be sent so that potential users know if they are available or not.

    I guess you can say the same thing about the Muni Meters, they look expensive, have built in computers, solar panels, but I haven't heard of reports on the news that people go around and steal them.

    I guess somebody could chop off the cable and connector and sell it on eBay?, I wouldn't buy one.

    eventually they'll become so common nobody will care and at that point the J1772 connector will cost $14 to replace.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post
    Why does that movie come mind?, Nissan has been working on the Leaf for 20 years. NJ has not charged me sales tax on the $34,000 sticker price, that's $2800 savings right there. The Fed Gov is giving me $7500 off my 2013 taxes because I bought this car and the cost of electricity to go 300 miles costs 1/5 to 1/6 the price it used cost me in Gas. To me the car is the complete opposite of a money pit.
    Those who don't get it, don't get it.

    For those of us who have long commutes in standstill traffic, it's the complete opposite of a money pit. Try driving in I-95 South where everybody is going into the city and you'll easily burn up a few thousand dollars in gas every year. Or the LIE going towards NYC at 7AM all the way into the city.

    How about the Holland Tunnel during peak hour? And the Belt Parkway on weekdays? Van Wyck from JFK to the Bronx? Even the Garden State and NJ Turnpike going South on a Saturday to the Jersey Shore is pretty bad. And it's not even peak season yet, it's going to get worse... traffic is ridiculous!
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    I've an 80 mile commute between Fort Worth and Dallas on Highway 114--believe me, I get it!

    I was referring (in jest) to the cost of the additional items. The car isn't cheap, but I hope you can use it enough/long enough to see an ROI.

    Enjoy it!

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    My wife just bought a new car too. A Prius C. It was $21,400.00 and gets 54MPG. It's a great little car. Really cute and pretty roomy. I fit in it as well.

    It has a sophisticated GPS/Comouter system that displays for you the 20 closest gas stations and it lists the price of gas at those stations.

    When she turns off the car it pops up a message that says how far you went and how much the trip cost you in dollars and cents. It's pretty wild.

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    Yesterday I was on a road that was flooded. It was 12" deep when I saw the first dead car and chickened out and left the area.

    I went the long way around to get to my Client's office and I came from the other direction and it was only 8".

    I was fine in the 12" so 8" to me seemed ok.

    When I approached the bank of water I wasn't sure of the depth so I pulled over and let some trucks by and I looked at their wheels and I could see that it was only 8" deep.

    So I decided to do it! I pulled back to the middle of the road and started to move and somebody on the shoulder starting blowing his horn and most likely was saying "Don't do it! DON'T GO!!!"

    So I kept going and I starting beeping at him and I went through perfectly fine then I thought myself. Hey I don't have a tailpipe. No air intake scoop for cooling. Maybe going through water is safe.

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    Wouldn't that high water (12") still be bad for the transmission and wheel bearings?

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    I have no idea.

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    Wouldn't that high water (12") still be bad for the transmission and wheel bearings?

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    I would be pretty nervous doing that. I understand Nissan did their homework but....
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    Just kept moving, never stop (if you can move).

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    Just spoke to Hyundai. They are replacing both lower control arms. The passenger axle and boot. Various sway bar plastic pieces that have snapped off.

    The bottom frame thing is going to be sprayed with wax and anti-rust agents.

    The only thing they won't replace is the drivers axle because it did not snap out but the boot is cracked and it has no lubricant.

    That's going to cost me $350 installed. They said it should be done tonight or Monday. They took it two days ago. Not bad.

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    Nice, then you can sell the Hyundai and use the Prius for long commutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipity View Post
    Nice, then you can sell the Hyundai and use the Prius for long commutes.
    Yeah, or keep the Hyundai for long commutes because it hauls a lot of stuff very easily and then I don't need to use my wife's car and she doesn't have to use mine ;)

    Full coverage on the Hyundai is half the price of the Leaf or Prius.

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    It's nice having a spare car if one needs work or something happens, bad weather it's a great to just take the old one besides you know how it is, you won't get much for it anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post
    Yeah, or keep the Hyundai for long commutes because it hauls a lot of stuff very easily and then I don't need to use my wife's car and she doesn't have to use mine ;)

    Full coverage on the Hyundai is half the price of the Leaf or Prius.

    Tonight my wife got 63.5MPG

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    It's a moot point now, but check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Megadeth View Post
    It's a moot point now, but check it out.
    That's Awesome, Thanks!, I wanted one for my Parents house, I guess I will buy one.

    My New Charger puts out 7.8kW per hour, my car can only accept 6.6kW per hour at Level 2 but it can accept 28kW at Level 3, I want to see if I can get an adapter to convert the Level 3 outlet so I can plug in my Level 2 J1772 connector and give it 7.8, then the car should charge in 3 hours instead of 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasareath View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipity View Post
    Those who don't get it, don't get it.

    For those of us who have long commutes in standstill traffic, it's the complete opposite of a money pit.
    Maybe not a money pit, but it certainly doesn't save any money, and it's a long time, if ever, before there is any ROI. Take his wife's Prius for example. Even if we pretend that electricity is free, and he spent nothing on chargers, the Prius was over $12K less. $12K buys 3000 gallons of fuel, at even 45mpg that's 135,000 miles before he starts to save any money. Of course electricity isn't free, so realistically it's closer to 200,000 miles. And with his estimated 51 miles a day, that's over 10 years before he starts to save any money.

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    I could have bought a car that uses only gasoline. Paid the same monthly payment for that car and i'm pretty sure I would be spending more money.

    Right now it costs me $2.85 per full charge. That full charge gets me 70 to 100 miles. With my old car I would get 20 to 22MPG and each gallon cost me $3.17

    Maybe you were really bad in Math. I was a A Student in math. I'll explain it to you:

    $3.17 for 22 miles is more expensive than $2.85 for 70 to 100 miles. (That's a savings right now, Not 200,000 miles from now)

    Also there is no Sales Tax in NJ if you Buy an Electric Vech, That saved me $2800.00 (Another Savings)

    The Federal Gov is taking $7500 off of my taxes for 2013. (MORE SAVINGS)

    All of the above SAVES money. Your statement is entirely false.

    And Even if I totally broke even I'm also saving the planet.


    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamM2 View Post
    Maybe not a money pit, but it certainly doesn't save any money, and it's a long time, if ever, before there is any ROI. Take his wife's Prius for example. Even if we pretend that electricity is free, and he spent nothing on chargers, the Prius was over $12K less. $12K buys 3000 gallons of fuel, at even 45mpg that's 135,000 miles before he starts to save any money. Of course electricity isn't free, so realistically it's closer to 200,000 miles. And with his estimated 51 miles a day, that's over 10 years before he starts to save any money.
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    All of the above SAVES money. Your statement is entirely false.

    And Even if I totally broke even I'm also saving the planet.
    Except I wasn't comparing it to your ten year old 22mpg car. I was comparing it to a NEW gas car that gets up to 54mpg. And I assume the old car was paid for, so you forgot to factor in the entire cost of the new car in that comparison.

    I did forget the tax credit, assuming you actually owe enough to get the entire credit (most don't) maybe it will only take 100,000 miles for ROI.

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    There is a new GAS car that gets 54 mpg, I would be interested, can you post a link please?
    My 02 Elantra Gt gets 28 city/highway I thought that was pretty good.
    For me my commute is 35 miles a day so I would always charge it in the garage
    and that means no more gas stations. I have a whole house generator so even a power
    outage would not effect me as long as I have natural gas. The previous hurricane there
    was no gas stations open for 3-4 days. No more oil changes oil filters air filters as long as the
    battery lasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamM2 View Post
    Except I wasn't comparing it to your ten year old 22mpg car. I was comparing it to a NEW gas car that gets up to 54mpg. And I assume the old car was paid for, so you forgot to factor in the entire cost of the new car in that comparison.

    I did forget the tax credit, assuming you actually owe enough to get the entire credit (most don't) maybe it will only take 100,000 miles for ROI.
    I needed a new car anyways, I really don't care about ROI, I can't run my business without a car. This is company car that gets written off. $7500 is pocket lint compared to what I will owe.

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    http://www.toyota.com/priusc/?srchid...s_c|#!/Welcome

    That orange is gross in person, My wife's is Red. It's a really cute car and last night she got 63MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    There is a new GAS car that gets 54 mpg, I would be interested, can you post a link please?
    My 02 Elantra Gt gets 28 city/highway I thought that was pretty good.
    For me my commute is 35 miles a day so I would always charge it in the garage
    and that means no more gas stations. I have a whole house generator so even a power
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