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    I have a NAD 7400 receiver (100 watts; essentially the NAD 3400 amp & NAD 1700 Tuner/ pre in one cabinet). I like it alot but there are holes in the sound. Could be from the NAD, could be from the Polk Monitor 70's, could be my ears. I don't think its the source; seems independent of the cd player or the TT. Local thrift has a Carver CT7 tuner & Carver M-05T amp for $150 each. That seems steep to me/ I'm thinking $200 for the pair. Would the Carver separates be an upgrade over the NAD? I think the Carver amp is the lower end of their line & 140 watts. Appreciate your thoughts. I have no experience with Carver equipment. I paid $75 for the NAD so I don't have a ton of cash tied up in it. TIA

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    Price seems about right. I can only comment on my own experiences with those 2 brands. Nad has a better sound quality to me over the Carver. Not that Carver is bad, just too sterile sounding for my ears anyway. Nad, while sounding better seems to have some quality control issues.

    With that said, 200 bucks isn't going to get you much of anything in the way of a big jump in sound quality from what your acustomed to. Local Craigslist in Chicago has a few nice amps and pre's between 3 and 5 bones.

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    What is it about your sound that you do not like?

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    There are holes in the audio spectrum. You hear certain instruments clear as day. Others are there if you listen for them but muted. It seems those instruments are always around the same frequencies so I think its a fault somewhere. As if you could hear a triangle & a cowbell perfectly but you had to listen closely to hear snare drums. Thats the concept.

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    Bingo on the quality control. I think I've repaired the worst of the crummy cold solder joints. I'll check out Chi Craigslist. Not much lately in Milwaukee or Madison.

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    What kind ofdcdma player or turntable do you have? What is the speaker location like distance from the wall. Distance to your chair?

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    Bob,

    From your description of the sound, I want to say it could be a cable issue.....considering the source is of decent quality. I've had those same experiences in the sound until I tried different cables. That synergy thing is a b$tch.

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    Alrighty then! Hold on to your wallet as the elusive search begins!

    It would be a lot cheaper if a friend of yours owned a High End electronics store and could loan you all the cable flavors until you found the "sweetest"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob in WI View Post
    Could be from the NAD, could be from the Polk Monitor 70's
    buy some lsi or lsim and the holes in the sound will be filled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnh View Post
    Alrighty then! Hold on to your wallet as the elusive search begins!

    It would be a lot cheaper if a friend of yours owned a High End electronics store and could loan you all the cable flavors until you found the "sweetest"!

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    Ok chief, kindly point out where I said "high end" cables. I'll wait......have a feeling it will be a very long time too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob in WI View Post
    I like it alot but there are holes in the sound.
    This could be room issues as well.
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    NAD products are unreliable from what I have experienced... Carver is cheaply built.... I had a TFM25 and when you look inside, the electronics are all cheap components. I would not recommend ither brands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon s View Post
    NAD products are unreliable from what I have experienced... Carver is cheaply built.... I had a TFM25 and when you look inside, the electronics are all cheap components. I would not recommend ither brands...
    You had a TFM-25, popped the top and saw cheap parts so the brand itself is not worthy of a recommendation? That's a bit like opening the hood on a Toyota Echo an assuming everything else from Toyota is cheap crap as well. The TFM 25 is an entry level amp in the Carver lineup, and is 25 years old now. any amp that age needs to be serviced and brought back to spec to perform its best. That goes for NAD gear as well. I would also toss out there that components(caps/resistors etc.) have been improved dramatically in 25 years and what seems cheap today may well have been the best available 25 years ago.
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    Appreciate the feedback. There are certainly room acoustic issues. The living room serves other purposes besides audio. Also I recognize that the speakers have a limited sweet spot; It is quite clear as you change distance from them. Hasn't thought of cables, they are wired now with heavier gage twisted copper. CD player is a Sony DVP S7700, TT is a Dual 1237 & Grado Blue with OEM stylus. I don't think it is the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob in WI View Post
    The living room serves other purposes besides audio.
    Yeah, same here Bob. My two channel system is also in the sittin' room. HT is in family room. I told the wife acoustic treatments are going in; only say so you have is to pick the fabric and color. She did. I could see them after a few days as the swelling around my eyes went down.

    I kid...she is pretty good with my two channel thing and did pick fabric/color.
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    Acoustics were worse before we switched from shades to curtains. Still, if the volume is up the reflections get stupid & the music sounds awful. Fortunately, I'm past my heavy metal days. But still, some music is made to be played loud.

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    Ok chief, kindly point out where I said "high end" cables. I'll wait......have a feeling it will be a very long time too.
    I've always seen myself as more of a Big Man than a Chief because I move in smaller circles, not Totem based clans. And as such, our villages don't have cables of any kind but we do love our pigs (pork)! lol

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    I picked up a pair of Vandersteen 2Ci off CL. The holes in the sound are filled. I will note that bi wiring the Monitor 70s really changed thier sound. I thought the bass was punchier at the very least. At 2.5 times the price (new), the Vandersteens are keepers, but I am not happy about selling the Monitor 70's. I can understand how people end up with ridiculous collections of audio gear. Fortunately, I can't afford both. Thank God for the Polk e bay store & CL or I wouldn't have either.

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    Vandies are a good speaker. Nice pickup

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