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    Default XPR-1 Review for EMO fans

    Much awaited reviews coming in..
    Excellent review
    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/a...xpr1-amplifier

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    Requires a 20 amp line! Looks hefty!

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    Not really.. only if you go and crank the volume and trip a breaker. Lots have stated one can just use a 20 to 15 amp convertor for it or just swap in a 20 amp outlet on the 15 amp line.
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    Wow, a review on Audioholics is a must read!

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    Why was their Review of the Pass Labs X350.5 not good enough..
    They explain their testing procedures quite thoroughly..

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    AH has some of the most rigorous and vetted testing around. They have Josh Ricci doing their sub reviews. The articles on Amplifier slew rate and gain staging are must reads. I read them for the editorial content primarily. AVS is also doing a great job by bringing Scott Wilkerson on board. Guy does some great interviews.
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    Audioholics is a joke. AVS is as well. The testing isn't real world it's lab specs. Last time I checked we don't listen to our gear in the lab. It's ridiculous, IMO. And I don't care if it's Emo, Pass, Krell or McIntosh. I don't use their writings as a resource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Last time I checked we don't listen to our gear in the lab.

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    It's certainly designed there. And when it's voiced (in the case of speakers) it certainly isn't voiced to your or my room either. I also like PETT and HTGuide for what they seem to provide the enthusiasts.
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    They are equivalent to Consumer Reports, not for enthusiasts. When the very first line of a review on an amplifier starts how with "how green is it?", it has nothing to do with being an enthusiast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    They are equivalent to Consumer Reports, not for enthusiasts. When the very first line of a review on an amplifier starts how with "how green is it?", it has nothing to do with being an enthusiast.

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    ?? I just read the first paragraph titled "Introduction" and can't find "how green is it?" I think it's an interesting question but may not be a concern to the audience that would purchase it. I could imaging lower idle current may have an affect on component lifespan due to lack of heat(?)
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    What is it that is equivalent to Consumer Reports? Are you talking about the analytics? Don't see the problem with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eclypse View Post
    Not really.. only if you go and crank the volume and trip a breaker.
    That's incorrect. If you were to run any amp requiring a 20 amp service off a 15 amp line, then switched to a 20 amp line you would hear the improvement at any volume level.

    Lots have stated one can just use a 20 to 15 amp convertor for it
    See above.

    or just swap in a 20 amp outlet on the 15 amp line.
    Completely against electrical code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    The testing isn't real world it's lab specs.
    Correct and lab specs cannot tell you how a piece of gear sounds.
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    Ears on. Caveat Emptor and all that. Be interesting to see some reviews in the wild.
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    There was a guy saying he ran 3 of those XPR amps off a 15amp circuit and all was fine at loud volumes without tripping a breaker. Said he didn't want to try louder as for fear of breaking the windows haha.
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    Eclypse..F1nut is correct in his post answers..
    Even the review says you can power in on a 15amp service but to fully unleash this beast you need a 20amp service..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    Ears on. Caveat Emptor and all that. Be interesting to see some reviews in the wild.
    A look at the list of "recommended" brands has me scratching my head. Polk Audio not mentioned but Bang & Olafson for speakers???

    No thanks.
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    It would seem to me that a review which starts with Although it lacks the snob appeal of some of the expensive and prestigious brands is either pushing an agenda, or trying to rationalize some unstated shortcomings. What is expensive in this case? $2000? $20,000?

    That said I am sure it is a fine $1500 amp. However, I wonder why the Bryston 28B-SST2 does not require a 20 amp line, and costs $9600. I guess the 20 year warranty and snob appeal add up.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...mber=BY28BSST2

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    Quote Originally Posted by eclypse View Post
    There was a guy saying he ran 3 of those XPR amps off a 15amp circuit and all was fine at loud volumes without tripping a breaker. Said he didn't want to try louder as for fear of breaking the windows haha.
    Loud is one thing. Having audio produced with clarity and detail is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eclypse View Post
    There was a guy saying he ran 3 of those XPR amps off a 15amp circuit and all was fine at loud volumes without tripping a breaker. Said he didn't want to try louder as for fear of breaking the windows haha.
    That right there should have told ya something. Also, if you don't like fires, you need to have the proper rated wire in the wall between a breaker box and outlet. You don't just drop in a 20a outlet and call it a day. Anyone who does that I would seriously consider their review of anything audio dubious at best.

    I'm sure it's a fine amp, like their others but I have yet to get an ear on anything they make that puts SQ as the number one priority over price. Who knows, maybe it will be this one......
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    Quote Originally Posted by headrott View Post
    Loud is one thing. Having audio produced with clarity and detail is another.

    Yeah, but unfortunately some don't understand that, if its loud, and can go boom, that's clarity and deep detailed bass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero Monk View Post
    ?? I just read the first paragraph titled "Introduction" and can't find "how green is it?" I think it's an interesting question but may not be a concern to the audience that would purchase it. I could imaging lower idle current may have an affect on component lifespan due to lack of heat(?)

    What is it that is equivalent to Consumer Reports? Are you talking about the analytics? Don't see the problem with that.
    Great. I never have and never will use AH or AVS reviews regardless of brand reviewed. Also you are incorrect in your assumption that lower idle current and lower heat levels mean longer life. There are many pure class A amps that have the same or longer lifespan and by the nature of the design run hot to very hot. If something is designed incorrectly or too many corners are cut, heat might become an issue in premature life. If done properly, it's never an issue beyond making sure you have proper ventilation which usually means no cabinet confinement or component stacking.

    I am not picking on this post because of EMO, but because I personally think AH lacks any sort of credibility when it comes to knowing what sounds good vs. great vs. exceptional. That is IMO and if one feels differently then that's your own opinion.

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    Seems like no one will ever be happy when it comes to audio reviews of any kind, not just Audioholics. Of course reviews of amps don't tell you how they sound... but they can give you objective measurements so you can compare them to the measurements of other amps. Does that tell you how they'll sound in your room or with your speakers? Of course not... but then, no one possibly could. It just gives you a basis for comparison to other gear that they've tested, and there is value to that.

    As far as the XPR-1 goes, I will never have speakers that require that kind of power... so that amp's not made for me. But it's good that they're making an amp for that market, if a market even exists for it (and I'm not sure one does outside of people who just want to say they have a 1kw amp).
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    Measurements mean nothing, NOTHING. They don't tell you how something sounds nor how they will interact with other gear in a system.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass


    Measurements compared across components don't really mean anything or relate how each will sound against each other. Just like horsepower, torque, 0-60 times, braking distance across automobiles won't give you a good indication of how the car rides, handles or responds compared to each other. Sure if the measurements are horrid then that's a good indicator to lower your expectations.

    It's good to know if an amp can or cannot drive a 4 ohm load, but you can't really tell by looking at wattage specs. Someone needs to test for that specifically, so while I don't believe measurements have much use they can be indicators in some narrow instances to help make a decision. But they will never really tell you how something sounds.

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    P.s. Look at these specs, if one strictly made decisions based on specs, this wouldn't even get a 2nd look. It's among the best amplifiers I've heard for reproducing audio and I have yet to run out of juice.

    Gain 20 dB balanced, 26 dB single ended

    Freq. Response - 0.5 dB @ 2 Hz, -1.5 dB @ 100 KHz

    Power Output 30 watts/ch @ 8 ohms, 40 watts @ 4 ohms

    Maximum Output 25 volts, 5 amps

    Distortion (1KHz) 0.2% @ 30 watts, 8 ohms

    Input Impedance 47 Kohm single-ended, 52 Kohm differential

    Damping factor 100

    Crosstalk > -80 dB 20-20 KHz

    Balanced Input Rejection -50 dB typical CMRR

    Output Noise < 500 uV unweighted

    Random noise floor 5 uV typical

    DC offset < 100 mv

    Power Consumption 200 watts

    Temperature 25 degrees C. above ambient

    Dimensions 17 " W x 15.5" D x 5.5" H

    Shipping Weight 45 lb.
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    Wow! EMOtiva posts sure stir up EMOtion!

    Lets face it....there ARE snob esoteric brands in audio just like any other industry. There is nothing wrong with this!!! On the flip side, there are quality products made in China that bring a certain level of performance to the masses. There is nothing wrong with this either.

    But at what point or cost does it take to move from Mid-fi to Hi-Fi? If a $1500 AVR is the lower to middle what does it take to move up to the "HIGH END" audiophile level? A $5000+ amp to start?

    I say its all about the music...enjoy it! and power to the people...rather it be Emo or Bryston ! Its great to have choices in every price segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLDock View Post
    Wow! EMOtiva posts sure stir up EMOtion!

    Lets face it....there ARE snob esoteric brands in audio just like any other industry. There is nothing wrong with this!!! On the flip side, there are quality products made in China that bring a certain level of performance to the masses. There is nothing wrong with this either.

    But at what point or cost does it take to move from Mid-fi to Hi-Fi? If a $1500 AVR is the lower to middle what does it take to move up to the "HIGH END" audiophile level? A $5000+ amp to start?

    I say its all about the music...enjoy it! and power to the people...rather it be Emo or Bryston ! Its great to have choices in every price segment.
    As long as it isn't a snob esoteric brand . Nice inflammatory opening and then soft back peddle. Can you say hypocrite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Great. I never have and never will use AH or AVS reviews regardless of brand reviewed. Also you are incorrect in your assumption that lower idle current and lower heat levels mean longer life.
    Did you notice the (?). I wasn't making any assumption. I don't know if it's idle current draw is simply due to design and a by-product or intentionally sought after goal. All I know either way is if you are purchasing $1500 or $15,000 monoblocks you most likely aren't concerned about your electric bill.
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    Looks like they knocked it out of the park again. After listening to the UPA-200 ($349!, new), I have a lot of respect for the quality for dollar they are capable of. Just a tremendous success story for an American company to deliver these kinds of goods for those prices. Just crushing the overpriced competition. Love it.

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