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    Default Monitor 10 Rebuild with "TL" Mod

    This project was a lot of work, but a lot of fun as well. In addition to the Crossover rebuild and modification, the cabinet was re-worked as well. Clarity ESAs were chosen for the Hi-Pass, Mills Resistors, Dayton 5% for the Lo-Pass, and Jantzen Inductors for the "TL" modification. I like using the Daytons for the Lo-Pass shunts for several reasons. Their quality is consistant, and they're relatively small compared to the Clarity PX or SA caps some others may prefer, and in my opinion, their sound is neutral when used in the shunt position. Changes required for the "TL" Mod included changing the Resistor in series with the Tweeter, and changing the Inductor located in the shunt. The resistor wasn't a problem, however the Inductor was a bit problematic. Jantzen had the exact value I needed, 0.27mh, but the DCR was slightly less than required. To compensate, I raised the value of the 2.7 ohm Resistor in series with the Inductor, to 3.0 ohms. This kept the overal resistance value of the shunt in line with the revised schematic, and would maintain the desired voicing of the new Tweeter. In addition to the other modifications, the Polyswitch was removed, and replaced with a 0.5 ohm resistor. All Resistors were relocated to the underside of the circuit board, to allow more room. A new supplimental riser board was fabricated and installed for the Clarity ESAs. New Nylon Stand-Offs were installed, and New Cardas Binding posts were added to complete the Crossover upgrade.

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    Wow looks like a lot of work, but looks like it would be a great deal of fun! Good job on the rebuild!
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    The Drivers and PRs were Dynamatted, and the magnet assemblies glued. You'll note one of the drivers was replaced with a new replacement driver from Polk.

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    Nice work WMG! What kind of glue did you use to prevent magnet shift? It looks white in the pics.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills, polyswitches removed, Lg Solen inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips installed on back wall behind MW's & Tweeters, interior of cabinets sealed, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer

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    Hurricane nuts were installed for all the drivers. The cabinet was internally re-sealed with clear acrylic, and the center brace was also re-glued since there were gaps in the original hot glue Polk used. New Quartered Walnut Veneer was installed, stained and finished. The raw particle board on the back edge was sanded, sealed with lacquer, then two coats of satin black enamel applied.

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    Home Theater/2 Channel:
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    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, H-Nuts, BH5
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    Final assembly included reposistioning and tacking in-place the Dacron Batting.

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    After all drivers were installed, air leakage tests were done, then sweep test tones to check for resonance and rattles, and lastly, New, Acoustically Transparent, Architectural Grill Cloth was intalled. The sound from these puppies is truely amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by custopper30 View Post
    Wow looks like a lot of work, but looks like it would be a great deal of fun! Good job on the rebuild!
    Thanks, was a lot of fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumminman View Post
    Nice work WMG! What kind of glue did you use to prevent magnet shift? It looks white in the pics.
    I used the same clear acrylic adhesive, Loctite. It goes on white, but dries clear.
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    Very nice work and dedication!

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Very nice work and dedication!

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    Wow, nice work on those. I bet they sound sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hochpt21 View Post
    Wow, nice work on those. I bet they sound sweet.
    Thanks, they do
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    Fantastic job!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conradicles View Post
    Fantastic job!!!
    Thanks
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    Very nice!

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    Very nice ! How do they sound compared to stock ?

    Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremymarcinko View Post
    Very nice!
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsmith View Post
    Very nice ! How do they sound compared to stock ?

    Thanks for sharing.
    It's like night and day. Everything that's good about the 10s was retained and improved, and things that weren't so good, are now outstanding. The new Tweeters and crossover upgrades made the top end sing, and the Hurricane Nuts, Machine Screws, and Dynamatting, tightened up the bass like you can't believe.
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    Damn those look nice! Wish mine looked like that. So how much did it run to do this mod?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halo71 View Post
    Damn those look nice! Wish mine looked like that. So how much did it run to do this mod?
    Thanks halo. PM me if you'd like specifics
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    Very nice work. Pride of accomplishment is an awesome feeling and you sure show it with your thread/posts. Congratulations

    I have to see where Feeding Hills Mass. is in relation to Charlestown RI

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJPOLKER View Post
    Very nice work. Pride of accomplishment is an awesome feeling and you sure show it with your thread/posts. Congratulations

    I have to see where Feeding Hills Mass. is in relation to Charlestown RI
    Thanks NJPOLKER. I'm 10 minutes from Six Flags New England
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    Beautiful job, congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Swauger View Post
    Beautiful job, congratulations!
    Thanks Ken
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    Everything looks very professional and well done. Now they are much better than they ever were way past new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkieMan View Post
    Everything looks very professional and well done. Now they are much better than they ever were way past new.
    Thanks PolkieMan
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    WOW, Dave! Those look fantastic, inside and out! Very nice work! Looks like you really did sweat the details. I'm guessing those are gonna be some long-term keepers.

    Few questions for you:

    Any sound quality difference with that one new driver?

    What size H-nuts and Machine Screws (length too) did you use? Where did you get them? Any problems with the flange of the H-nut interfering with the driver baskets inside the cabinets? Did you use them on the binding post cup and tweeters also?

    How did you fasten your new grille cloth to the frames? Any pointers/pics on how to make good sharp corners? Did you notice a sonic difference with this upgrade?

    Did you consider re-doing the internal wiring? Any plans for that in the future?

    What are you driving them with, power-wise? Are you using them in a 2-channel setup? HT?

    You mention sweep test tones to check for resonance and rattles. Can you elaborate on this process a little?

    Thanks for any info you can share. I'm a big, big fan of the Monitor 10 sound and have a pair that I've had since they were new and will likely be keeping them for good.

    Lastly, I don't think you mentioned it above - and please correct me if I'm wrong - but it should probably be noted that to do the "TL" mod for these speakers, people will be using the RDO-198 tweeters and not the RDO-194 tweeters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teekay0007 View Post
    WOW, Dave! Those look fantastic, inside and out! Very nice work! Looks like you really did sweat the details.
    Thanks. Too many questions for this thread. I'd be happy to answer any question directly via PM or email.
    The RDO-198-1s are part of the TL Mod, that's pretty common knowledge on these forums.
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    Oh don't thank me it's people like you that have really inspired me on this hobby.
    Especially the real wood veneer that looks so much better.

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    Thanks PolkieMan

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