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    Default Field of geneticaly modified wheat found being grown in oregon

    Dont know what else to say, except no modded wheat has been approved to grow in u.s., not educated on the science, but i would not want to be the guinea pig to be fed this stuff.
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    Yeah, our local news said "it's safe to eat, but illegal to grow in Oregon". Uh huh, I wonder how much we have already unknowingly eaten?
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    Speaking that most of our food is mostly GMO unless organic not going to make much difference.

    Our soils don't produce nearly the nutrient filled crops as they did 100+ years ago and crops subject to water run off from local roads and contaminated creeks/rivers we are already fubar-ed anyway.
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    The other illegal stuff they grow in Oregon is pretty good!
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    I grow a few acres of organic crops for the local food coops. I lay down 3 to 6 tons per acre of hog/cattle manure as well as liquid waste from the local sewer plant. That would include all the prescriptions you flush down the toilet as well as the growth hormones we use in production meat production. As I tell other people, suck it up buttercup because unless you can find a piece of native prairie to plow up there ain't any such thing as "organically" grown plants.
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    So it's still wheat, not some organism from space.
    All our food was crossed for thousands of years by the hand of men.
    We made most meats and grains what they are today.They do a few mods,
    and suddenly it's radioactive? This is mostly fear mongering at it's finest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sucks2beme View Post
    So it's still wheat, not some organism from space.
    All our food was crossed for thousands of years by the hand of men.
    We made most meats and grains what they are today.They do a few mods,
    and suddenly it's radioactive? This is mostly fear mongering at it's finest.
    We have no idea of the long term effects of consuming such products, it's anything but fear mongering.
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    Scott you and Deb going to stop eating meat made in China and genetically enhanced wheat from Oregon. Are you going to starve yourselfs to death or what? You would be surprised of the crap going into processed foods. It would benefit us all if we all just live off the land. Grow your own vegetables, fruits, and catch your own fish and live off the land venison what not.

    Not all of us live in an area to take advantage of what God has provided us, that's why all this crap processed foods is delivered to the masses. If we as a society start going to farmers markets and not give in to the companies that produce such crap maybe they will start giving us more natural alternatives. BTW Oregon offers more genetically enhanced products than you think!

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    Some 30 years ago, my grandfather and his youngest son were the subject of a newspaper article in the St. Paul Dispatch. They bought some Burpee tomato seeds, and watered them and cared for them as they would any other plant in the garden, but these were no ordinary tomatoes.

    According to the seed's manufacturer, a very small batch of "pomato" seeds escaped the lab, and what was even worse, they were potentially lethal if consumed. The paper simply reported them as poisonous, but the fact is that this has been going on for decades and has given us corn that can grow in drought conditions and cattle that produce more milk and meat per bushel of feed than ever occurred naturally.

    Everything from the Westminster Dog Show, to the Kentucky Derby and the roses in the White House Rose Garden have been manipulated by the hand of man, and usually with divinely inspired results. The facts are that everything we consume in this country has been subjected to manipulation of some kind, even the stuff that is hormone free, eco-friendly or organic.

    It's not the food I fear, rather the genetically mutated superbugs our science has given us that are completely immune to even the most advanced drug therapies. Somewhere out there is a strain of flesh eating bacteria that won't be stopped, and unless we stop tinkering with the use of antibiotics that create monster viruses, or create ones that absolutely destroy them completely, I don't thing a little GMO is going to be the science that kills us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sucks2beme View Post
    So it's still wheat, not some organism from space.
    All our food was crossed for thousands of years by the hand of men.
    We made most meats and grains what they are today.They do a few mods,
    and suddenly it's radioactive? This is mostly fear mongering at it's finest.
    Trial and error, slowly producing hybrids over millennium is one thing. Knocking a double helix around in a lab, introducing gross and immediate permutations, is quite another.

    The law of unintended consequence applies to one of these scenarios. Just like neonectinoids.
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    Steve, one look at any of my pics here on cp, and you would know im not starving.

    Supposedly, none of us have eaten meat from china, not supposed to be for sale here, nor is gen. modified wheat.

    As i said in original post, im not going to pretend to know all the scientific facts, but it would be nice to know if any of the foods in question are on the store shelf, at least giving me the opportunity to avoid.
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    Everything we eat has been altered in some form or another. The native American corn the Pilgrims ate was the size of a large index finger and probably tasted like paper. You will find most of the vegetables we eat have a similar history. I'm not worrying too much. Every wonder where the majority of our drinking water coming from the taps have been?
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    As I said in the China buying Armor meats, etc. thread: It seems that Celiac's disease and/or alergies to wheat are on the rise....... IMO, I believe it could be due to genetically modified wheat consumed by people. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is the cause, but it is certainly a possibility. As Face said, we don't even know the consequences of consuming GMO's. As a biologist however, I will say that messing with genetics (a fairly newly adopted science) is an unknown and absolutely not fully tested science from a side affects point of view. At least from a human standpoint.
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    I myself prefer foodstuffs that contain Agent Orange precursors. When has Dupont/Monsato ever done us wrong ?
    Moot point anyway: in the new Agricultural Appropriations Bill, there's a provision that protects genetically modified food interests from litigation.

    Not being political as ALL parties signed off on this. Just mentioned this to take a load off everyones' minds. I'm sure everyone was worried that Dupont/Monsanto's operations/profits might be affected by fear-mongering litigating tree huggers (like those EU hippies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sucks2beme View Post
    So it's still wheat, not some organism from space.
    All our food was crossed for thousands of years by the hand of men.
    We made most meats and grains what they are today.They do a few mods,
    and suddenly it's radioactive? This is mostly fear mongering at it's finest.
    BS! Take their GMOs and shove 'em.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sucks2beme View Post
    So it's still wheat, not some organism from space.
    All our food was crossed for thousands of years by the hand of men.
    We made most meats and grains what they are today.They do a few mods,
    and suddenly it's radioactive? This is mostly fear mongering at it's finest.
    Thank you! Sheesh why do you guys go out of your way to find $hit to flip your lids about? We are all going to die sometime and I would bet that our sedentary life styles do more harm than any food. Yet we are living longer than ever!

    I don't have the kind of money to get the so called all natural food, which shouldn't be so expensive since it doesn't have anything in it to kill you, so I buy what I can afford to keep food on my table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrizz View Post
    I don't have the kind of money to get the so called all natural food, which shouldn't be so expensive since it doesn't have anything in it to kill you, so I buy what I can afford to keep food on my table.
    So then you shouldn't care whats in your food ? In the food served to kids at school ? In baby formula ?

    Nonsense Cathy, your using your financial situation to assume these things should mean nothing for others. As far as modified foods go, yeah they have been doing that for decades. Over farmed land has stripped any natural nutrients out of the soils. So you genetically alter seeds to withstand droughts, poor soil, etc. How that's done and the process involved I am not up to par on that but I will tell you anytime they create legislation to clear themselves of litigation must certainly raise a few eyebrows. Would you feel the same if they gave drug companies a pass on litigation ? How many have died from bad drugs, side effects ? Also supposedly deemed safe by the FDA too.

    The food industry is mega bucks, and they have mega bucks to throw at politicians to write laws that favor themselves. Same can be said for the oil and gas industry, the tech industry, and so on. If you can't see the pattern, if you can't see where the average citizen falls on that totem pole, then go back to watching the Kardashians next blunder.

    Big business dictates legislation, their pockets are deeper than yours or mine. Unless you remove that element, nothing changes. Any rational person would raise a red flag when labeling is limited and litigation is left out of the equation.

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    A couple months ago I read an article about how milk consumption is way down. The dairy industry is going to add an artificial sweetener to milk to make is more "appealing". They are lobbying congress to allow them NOT to put it on the label of ingredients so no one will know their milk is boosted with artificial perhaps harmful additional chemicals.

    Our nations obesity is directly linked to genetically modified foods as well as all the artificial chemicals in processed food. It's not the entire issue, but it's a large part of the problem. Give me lard, pure butter, farm fresh eggs, farm fresh bacon, etc, etc that our grandparent grew up on and grew old with.

    You do realize that grains have been so modified that you can NOT buy the same grains your grandparents did to make fresh homemade bread at home. That type of grain (unmodified) doesn't exist anymore. The original has been so altered (not for the better nutrition) it no longer exists.

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    There are just to many people on the earth.

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    Japan won't eat it

    U.S. wheat prices came under pressure Thursday after Japan banned some U.S. imports following the discovery of unapproved genetically modified wheat at a farm in Oregon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txcoastal1 View Post
    Japan won't eat it

    U.S. wheat prices came under pressure Thursday after Japan banned some U.S. imports following the discovery of unapproved genetically modified wheat at a farm in Oregon.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...675414838.html
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefo...eswithbans.cfm

    http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...cle_18866.cfm/

    http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/obama-pro...late-all-gmos/
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrizz View Post
    Thank you! Sheesh why do you guys go out of your way to find $hit to flip your lids about? We are all going to die sometime and I would bet that our sedentary life styles do more harm than any food. Yet we are living longer than ever!

    I don't have the kind of money to get the so called all natural food, which shouldn't be so expensive since it doesn't have anything in it to kill you, so I buy what I can afford to keep food on my table.
    Cathy it's the approach that is the problem. As example part of bee colony collapse is neonectinoids. It's a chemical that was produced, without enough efficacy research and it had an immediate effect when sprayed crop that bee colonies pollinate. Then when bee keepers started complaining the chemical companies started stonewalling.

    It took two different, independent, research efforts in countries that big chem doesn't have a significant monetary influence in to come to the same conclusion that neonectinoids in fact mess up bees.
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    Yes, the stuff they use to spray on it and fertilize it is a lot more dangerous than the "modified" grain is.
    And don't think the natural stuff is all that much better. Much of it is just labeling. They problem is
    there are a lot more mouths to feed than 100 years ago. If we did go back to farming as it was
    back then food would be too expensive for most people to buy. And there would be huge shortages.
    The biggest problem is still the post processing. How they make the food in the store. Getting fresh
    produce and making your own is always a good idea. Most modern stores also bake their own breads.
    Wonder bread is only good for plugging copper pipes while you solder them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikezappa View Post
    There are just to many people on the earth.
    Come on man, seriously ?

    If you crunch the numbers, you could fit the entire worlds population in the state of Texas. Thing is allotting enough farm land to feed a geographical area. Some areas are too dry to farm but hold populations, while others have little population and tons of farming. Getting foods to all places require chemicals to be added to offset spoilage.

    When farmland became so valuable, farmers took the coin and ran. Can't blame them either, farming is hard work. But we do very little to promote local smaller farms. Again, they don't have the deep pockets the big boys do to get things going their way....and it's only going to get worse. For instance, the 50% inheritance tax. When a farmer dies and leaves say a small farm to the kids, that tax is due. If your small farm is worth just 1 million bucks, that's a 500,000 tax bill. You'd have to sell the place to pay that. The new owners likely won't be farmers either but big land developers who envision another strip mall. Small farmers don't have the financial savy the big boys do with high priced accountants, cpa's, lawyers, that get around these things by trusts, holding companies, etc.

    Just my personal note on all this. What I see is big corporations taking control of the food chain. Given how big corporations and government run hand in hand, it raises red flags to me. I would no more trust the same people that gave us lie after lie in other matters with the quality of my food or the education of my kids. That's just me though, you may have other thoughts on it. Being older with some experiences under your belt makes you jaded to some degree.

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    It's really a matter of double speak. You have those in charge of the food supply letting big corporations have their way with you...to some degree anyway, for the price of donations. While at the same time, coming out of the other side of their mouth is you need to eat better.

    Ask any doctor, he will tell you to stay away from processed foods, sugary foods, chemical laden foods and eat wholesome sometimes organic foods. Single word foods. Coupled with some exercise, is a recipe for better health. But laws being created don't echo that advice....not laws afforded the big corporations anyway. It's hypocrisy at it's finest. Which, in the end always comes down to who has the most money gets their way. Not that it's anything new, that's been the case forever. It's just now we can see the outcomes more clearly as it effects our daily lives.

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    Cathy did make a good point in that she buys what she can afford to keep food on the table.....and that's pretty much what most would do. Nothing wrong with that. My problem is, to keep the masses dependent on lower quality foods, we then subsidize those foods with food stamps, encourage it even. We pay people to sign people up for food stamps. We add sugar to everything, an addictive substance, to keep those cravings alive. We stifle personal growth, small business creation, do away with higher paying jobs. Keep as many on the welfare rolls as possible.

    You then have no choice but to buy "what you can afford" which so happens to coincide with what big corporations are pushing. After all, personal survival comes first and we need food regardless of the quality.

    Another flipside is the healthcare aspect. They promote crappy foods, then tell you we have to charge you more because your fat. Huh ? Say what ? I can't wrap my brain around that one. They got you coming and going. Let's see now, we will mandate you have to buy health insurance to pay for those doctors visits because your health sucks in part from the food we push on you. Yeah, makes lots of sense to me.

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    Genetic advancement of plants have been going on for thousands of years. Corn, in particular has grown from just 1.5 inches 5k years ago to 5 inches in length by the year 1500 AD. Of course ears average 7-12 inches nowadays, even the "GMO-free" ones.Name:  corn.jpg
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    ^^^^There is a definate difference between artificially "selectively breeding" corn and scientists going in and artificially selecting and/or depressing genetic traits at the genetic level. That is, genetic engineering. Genetically engineerd plants are what I am saying are dangerous. We don't know the consequences of people eating genetically engineered foods. We do know the consequences of artifically selevtively breeding corn, wheat, etc. That's what this discussion comes down to.
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