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    Default Shuguang S200mk Preamp S845mk Monoblocks

    So I went out to UPS to pick these up today. I was having them delivered to my parent's house since my Mom usually works from home. Unfortunately, this is the one week in months that she had to travel, so I had to make other arrangements. I've been anticipating their arrival for so long that I just couldn't let them sit there any longer than necessary. I popped them open at UPS for a quick overview and everything looked OK. I was excited that absolutely all shipping costs were covered by Grant Fidelity. I expected to at least pay duty/broker fees, but to my surprise nothing! This makes the purchase that much more of a bargain in my eyes as I'd expect shipping three heavy packages across the borders would easily run 2 bills. That's 10% of the current sales price. When I got home, I took 'em out and gave them a better one-over. As far as packaging goes, everything was great to me except for the tube packing. I'm sure it was fine (obviously it was since they all work), but there was no padding between them and the side of the inside box. The amps were double boxed and the tubes had good padding in their own boxes, but still surprised me a bit. The amps/preamp themselves seemed to be packed well enough.

    This is the first time I've seen 845 tubes. Holy **** is the first thing that comes to mind. These things are massive! They make el34's look like preamp tubes and even dwarf the 300b tube, a rather large tube itself. The light that tube puts off is incredible. It's so much that I'm going to have to find a solution to prevent the light from interfering with the projector's performance.


    Right now I'm on a break from studying and powered down the unit for the first time. First impressions have me liking this upgrade quite a bit. The units look better (and bigger) than they do in pictures and seem to have solid build quality. They are definitely hefty units, weighing in at about 50 lbs. per amp. I'm still running all stock tubes (including preamp tubes) just to get a feel for the unit first. I can tell it needs to burn in but there are already significant improvements in soundstage width and imaging, exactly what I was hoping for. It seems the soundstage is between the speakers, where with the Jolida it was in front of them. I think this will take a bit of getting used to since I've been listening to that forward sound for over a year now.

    I don't really know how to describe the tonal differences at this point. I do know that the bass is much more refined than before. It still gives the Usher's a workout, but they have much more finesse. It feels like the bass is creeping towards you at times with Depeche Mode's new album, something I didn't experience with the Jolida, and something I've never experienced before on any track on any system. It's actually a very weird sensation. There is some air to the music that wasn't there before, but it still feels like the amp is telling me to give it more time. It definitely shows glimpses of what I hope to be the final product.



    Pics will follow as I get better ones available. Expect to see some this weekend after the test is done.
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    Nice! Especially for the price. Do let us know how they sound. Did you upgrade any of the stock tubes?

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    Get those pics up!

    I expected to at least pay duty/broker fees, but to my surprise nothing!
    You may still get a bill from UPS in the mail.
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    Congrats! Don't be surprised if the soundstage changes significantly with break-in so it may end up being more forward then it is now.

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    Congrats on the new electronics and mondo tubes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianle View Post
    Nice! Especially for the price. Do let us know how they sound. Did you upgrade any of the stock tubes?
    Nope. I might end up replacing some Preamp tubes that I already have, but the purchase wiped out all funds I had to upgrade. I do see some rolling in the future, just not the immediate future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post



    You may still get a bill from UPS in the mail.
    Yeah, with only two weeks to pay or interest starts accruing.

    Congrats on your mono blocks DSkip!
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    Congrats... don't forget the pics!!!!
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    Oh yeah, nice clean look.
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    That's some awesome tube porn right there. You're right, those 845s look huge!

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    Man those look sweet. Tube rolling looks like it could get expensive

    Nice review. I'm sure getting some hours on them, especially with all new tubes, should bring serious improvement in SQ.
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    I had a pic of the preamp wiring but deleted it by accident. Its point to point except for small circuit boards for the rca's and front switches.
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    Very nice-- congratulations.
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    dskip, you're going to have to change what you listen to, more jazz and classical
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    Very nice pictures, and those stock tubes are better than the regular junk, so don't worry too much about rolling right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zingo View Post
    Very nice pictures, and those stock tubes are better than the regular junk, so don't worry too much about rolling right away.
    I've noticed. I rolled a few old stock tubes into the preamp and some EH 6SN7's in the power amps and didn't like it nearly as much as the stockers. I was surprised to say the least.

    I've read that these were the flagship products for Shuguang until a year or two ago, when they released their 50WPC parallel SET's (now branded under PSVane) and matching pre, running $8-10k for the set. Because of that, they were designed to pair well with their treasure tubes. These aren't the treasures, but they still sound damn nice.
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    Girls night out so I'm at home with the kiddo. Been pushing these a bit since I got them but tonight its all low/mid volume listening while he sleeps. I love the transparency this package brings. The sound isn't as lush as most tubers I've heard, its just natural. It really has me wondering if this truly was the best purchase I could've made. An oppo 105 would've been an excellent upgrade and is still in the future, but this set has brought aspects to the presentation I was hoping to get with the oppo. Extremely happy with my choice.

    As a side note, the ambient room temperature has dropped noticeably during listening sessions. The only tubes that really get hot are the 845's, and they're about equivalent to one el34 each, maybe even less. This is one reason I shied away from rogue m120's since they have a reputation of being space heaters.
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    I'm surprised yours are not hot. My pair of shuguang 845b are extremely hot. It maybe because each of your 845 are far apart. Glad that you are happy with them

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    Really sweet looking system. I would like to get a tube pre in the future after i finish doing the mods to my speakers. Beautuful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianle View Post
    I'm surprised yours are not hot. My pair of shuguang 845b are extremely hot. It maybe because each of your 845 are far apart. Glad that you are happy with them

    Good point, something I didn't think about. Those EL34's are bunched together and feed off each others heat. The 845's heat can be felt radiating a few inches away from them, but the EL34's could be felt much farther away.



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    Very sexy bud. You've got me wanting tubes now.

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    So I guess they've begun the break-in process or my hearing took a major hit. The sweet midrange is gone and its like the higher midrange literally just disappeared. One month to get them burned in before open house so I've got a lot of listening to do between now and then.

    I swapped out the Amperex Orange Globe 12AX7's and noticed a bit more midrange and no loss in detail. The gain also dropped dramatically: I used to not be able to get it past noon, now the same level is around 2:00-3:00 on the dial. I'm happy with that change. They also seemed to have de-emphasized the bass a bit to make a slightly more balanced sound. Still not right, but better than it was.
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    Started playing around with speaker placement last night. Pairing these with the ushers created an overpowering and room pressurizing bass. It was so much that after a few minutes I would get fatigued after select songs. I pulled them into the room more and now the sound is very balanced. Im liking these things more and more as I readjust the system.
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    dskip, have you loaded the compartments on the ushers yet? lead shot or if you don't want to use it then try blasting gravel ( i might have some here in a 5 gal bucket).
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    any update of your latest 845 amps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    Started playing around with speaker placement last night. Pairing these with the ushers created an overpowering and room pressurizing bass. It was so much that after a few minutes I would get fatigued after select songs. I pulled them into the room more and now the sound is very balanced. Im liking these things more and more as I readjust the system.
    I've realized with most speakers that I do not like the sound when I use wall placement to reinforce the bass output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianle View Post
    any update of your latest 845 amps?
    Here's a very non-technical review...his system is awesome

    Had the privilege of listening to it last week and was blown away. Has me re-thinking my HT for sure.

    Also ended up buying a couple of CD's that we listened to, but that's another story.

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    Well aren't you lucky... :)

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    i can't get an invite, guess he thinks i'll drink all his beer
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