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    After upgrading the power and interconnect cables in both my two channel and HT, I planned to take it easy for a while and recuperate the spent retirement savings. However, I knew that once I started upgrading my hardware I was going to start first with the pre-amp. Tuesday, I had the opportunity to buy my first piece of "used" gear, which is a 2 week old 'demo' Pass Labs XP-20 for $2K off list. Plus, I got to split the payment over two months with no surcharge. Well, that's all it took to reel me in, so I bought it, and it arrived today.

    Time to hook it up, and let it start warming up so I can give it a good listen Friday, and over the weekend.

    This has got to be my last purchase this year. Otherwise I need an intervention


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    This has got to be my last purchase this year. Otherwise I need an intervention
    famous last words....

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    I have been lusting after one of these for some time now, thanks to DK, and now you. For now, I must live vicariously through your reviews.
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    BlueFox, Congratulations! That is a beauty. I cannot wait to hear your review on how it sounds.
    I am sure it is amazing!

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    Dont make it your last big purchase because I have some wireworld platinum RCA's FS

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    Wow! That is beautiful! I hope it brings you many hours of aural bliss, but that is a lot to pay for a little "aural"!

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    You have been kicking it up SEVERAL notches lately, I'm jealous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    You have been kicking it up SEVERAL notches lately, I'm jealous!
    I agree, there has been alot of high quality products being snapped up by this gent lately

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    Nice buy BF! Haven't heard a Pass pre before, only a couple of his amps. Let us know what you think after listening. Congratulations!
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    Thanks guys. I am putting together my retirement, and final, system. Once I retire I will be eating cat food, so I need to get everything now.

    I have it up and running now, and the parts I use (inputs 1/2) work, so now it is time to let El Passo become friends with the other gear, and gorge on clean power. As it becomes acclimated, it should really start improving. Heck, it sounds pretty good out of the box, even with all the neighborhood background noise. Next week is a 4 day weekend, so that is when I will really start evaluating it late at night. The dealer gave me 30 days to make a decision, which was nice.

    PFB, I can't buy your Wire World cables. I just added balanced Shunyata Ztron Anacondas to the two channel about 3 weeks ago. Sorry.

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    I would like to hear a pair of those Shunyata Ztron Anacondas and they are super expensive just looked up the price on music direct. Its a world class system you have there and I bet your grinning ear to ear when the tunes are blasting

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    Congrats on the fantastic looking piece of equipment!

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    Congrats! Always nice to see someone diving down the rabbit hole head first.
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    I have no doubt it will end up sounding as good as it looks, just like their amps. Congrats on the purchase, it definitely has the potential to be a roadblock for any future upgrades in the pre department.
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    I just realized this is the first piece of gear I have owned that has a fuse which can be changed without opening the gear. Now I can finally try an audiophile fuse.

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    Congrats! That dealer's MO seems familiar. I recall being seduced in a similar fashion.
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    Great looking pre - congrats! Looking forward to your review. Re: after market fuse, I suggest you thoroughly burn it in before trying one so you can discern the difference in SQ. When I swapped one into my linestage, I was shocked () at the improvement that something so seemingly insignificant makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    Congrats! That dealer's MO seems familiar. I recall being seduced in a similar fashion.
    Hmmmmmm. That wiley wabbit.

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    The Pass stuff being talked about on this forum seems quite high-end and looks awesome. Just to give myself a point of reference, if the Pass Labs gear would be considered an A+ on a grading scale of SS gear, would grade would Parasound Halo gear be considered in comparison? Just curious...

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    I would say the Halo gear is comparable, but obviously I'm biased

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    Very nice addition to your system. I'm sure that itch won't need to be scratched for some time soon. Congrats & enjoy. Nelson's gear is always top notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    This has got to be my last purchase this year. Otherwise I need an intervention
    Don't count on anybody here for help with this kind of intervention. We would show up at your house with beer, cd's and lots of equipment to demo with your new preamp at the helm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ern Dog View Post
    Don't count on anybody here for help with this kind of intervention. We would show up at your house with beer, cd's and lots of equipment to demo with your new preamp at the helm
    Actually, I blame this place.


    If it hadn't been for this place I probably would never have tried better cables. That is what really set me off on trying to get every nuance of music out of a recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevhed72 View Post
    The Pass stuff being talked about on this forum seems quite high-end and looks awesome. Just to give myself a point of reference, if the Pass Labs gear would be considered an A+ on a grading scale of SS gear, would grade would Parasound Halo gear be considered in comparison? Just curious...
    It's a notch or two above Halo. Not that it's not great gear. The Pass stuff is special
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsSiMiLaTeD View Post
    I would say the Halo gear is comparable, but obviously I'm biased
    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    It's a notch or two above Halo. Not that it's not great gear. The Pass stuff is special


    Obviously, you're biased too though, right Brock?*

    *Disclaimer: Pass Labs stuff is very fine gear. Parasound is good as well, but Pass, IMO and unbiased is the Pass gear is better.
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    Sorry, but it's not bias. Halo gear is excellent, never said it wasn't. The Pass gear is a cut above. Ask DK about this Pass amps vs. his beloved JC1's. Took his system to the next level. Different strokes for different folks. Would I be happy with either one? Absolutely. If I had my choice, it would be the Pass gear w/o even thinking about it.

    Not trying the start an argument or take this thread off track. So that is the last you will hear from me about it Someone asked so I commented.

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    The Halo JC pre-amp was on my list. I spent probably over a year casually researching pres, along with 5 figure tube pre-amps. The Pass replaced my Cambridge-Audio 840E, and at first I was waiting for Cambridge to come out with their next generation. However, while they were telling me the beginning of 2013, and after that passed, in a few months, I got tired of waiting. It seemed they were either having technical issues, or decided to abandon that market. Which is to bad, because the 840E is a fine piece of gear for what it cost ($1500 new).

    Anyway, there was no way I could rationalize a 5 figure pre-amp, and decided $5K was my range. I was down to the Halo, the Ayre K5xeMP, the Classe CP-800, the Bryston BP-26, which is a two unit piece, and the Pass XP-10. I did a lot of online research on this, and there wasn't anything negative about none of them. Since this most likely will be the last pre-amp I purchase, I wanted it to be good. I contacted Pass to find a local dealer, and they said there are none in Nor Cal, so I should check with a dealer in Nevada. They must have BCCed him, since I soon received an email from him. I explained I was just in the info gathering stage at this point, and I am looking for a pre with two balanced inputs, and balanced outputs to step up a notch in my system. While the XP-10 was my target, I asked what the XP-20 was going for. When he said he could give me a demo unit for $2100 off, full warranty, no sales tax, and two payments I said let's do it. It is a bit more than what I wanted to pay, but what I have found indicates the two chassis XP-20 is really better than the XP-10, and by extension, better than the other gear.

    Anyway, so far I am loving it as it burns in. At first, it didn't seem any better than my Cambridge pre, but after about 5 hours it started to settle in, and I was starting to hear detail and bass that wasn't apparent before. Whether the Pass is better than the other gear I don't know, but it is working for me, and that is the bottom line.

    One final point is that the Pass was able to move into an environment where the foundation is in place. Between the new rack, the power upgrade, and the power and interconnect cable upgrades of the last year, there is no reason for it not to perform at its maximum right from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Sorry, but it's not bias. Halo gear is excellent, never said it wasn't. The Pass gear is a cut above. Ask DK about this Pass amps vs. his beloved JC1's. Took his system to the next level. Different strokes for different folks. Would I be happy with either one? Absolutely. If I had my choice, it would be the Pass gear w/o even thinking about it.

    Not trying the start an argument or take this thread off track. So that is the last you will hear from me about it Someone asked so I commented.

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    No big whoop Brock. I was kidding (a little). Like I said, from the Pass Labs gear and the Parasound gear I've heard, I would also take Pass gear instantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevhed72 View Post
    Just to give myself a point of reference, if the Pass Labs gear would be considered an A+ on a grading scale of SS gear, would grade would Parasound Halo gear be considered in comparison? Just curious...
    It's a different class altogether. It took a while, years, for my listening skills to evolve to the point where I could appreciate a much higher level of gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Ask DK about this Pass amps vs. his beloved JC1's. Took his system to the next level.
    Yes, and that is why I am up past 4am listening to music.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Anyway, there was no way I could rationalize a 5 figure pre-amp, and decided $5K was my range.
    Why be rational?


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Since this most likely will be the last pre-amp I purchase,....

    Sure. Whatever you say.

    I thought the Pass X-1 would be my last preamp. Then I went to the Pass X0.2....and you see where I ended up. Better gear can make your ears greedy.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Anyway, so far I am loving it as it burns in.
    Don't turn it off (unplug it)...ever. I'm interested in reading your impressions after a month of burn in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    Don't turn it off (unplug it)...ever. I'm interested in reading your impressions after a month of burn in.
    Easier said than done. After I get used to it in a few months, I want to upgrade the fuse. I have never done a fuse upgrade, and want to hear what happens. Now that I have a piece of gear with no power switch, and the manufacturer says it sounds better after being on a week or so, I probably will be hit by power outages every week.

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