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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD View Post
    I've seen that many times.... maybe they figure that if you stumble on the item one minute before auctions end you won't factor in the shipping costs into the total price you are paying or you will be getting a packaging job that could survive a fall out of an airplane.
    It's just part of the Ebay game, and I never look at an item price without looking at the shipping total as well; Chinese seller seem to do this the most. If you sort by price, ebay will even include the shipping amount into that price.

    To PFB, no matter what the seller says, if you don't like the terms of the auction, don't bit as anything else is a verbal contract not honored by Ebay. It does sound like the seller didn't like the final price his subwoofer closed at, but that ends up being between him and Ebay, and don't get involved past that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sucks2beme View Post
    I won a Yammy receiver on a 1st and only bid. The seller shoved it in a box so tight the
    sides were bulged out. No packing material. It was advertised as broken.
    IT got to me with more dings and dents that you could imagine.
    And it WORKED. Go figure.
    And to think we cant get new stuff not banged up. Lol
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    Honestly, he may not be making that much off the shipping depending on how far it has to go. My wife and I went to LA in may. We got a little carried away with shopping and had to ship about 12 pairs of shoes back to our home in memphis. That 36 lbs cost me 86 dollars because of the distance and size of the box. I have shippied heavier amps double boxed for less because of a shorter distance. In the end, you did bid knowing shipping was 100.

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    I already knew the price via fedex and he is $55 more, Its just being shipped in the factory box

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    Once upon a time, a lot of sellers would offer items at low prices with very high shipping prices. The reason was eBay didn't charge a final value fee on the shipping, only the item price. So sellers would save on fees by doing it that way. eBay caught on to this, and started charging the final fee to the seller inclusive of the shipping.
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    Yeesh. This is why I avoid ebay, I just fail at it. I'll just cough up the extra cash and buy from Crutchfield or Best Buy. Way less drama.

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    I won a Sony PS-8750 vintage turntable on ebay for $170, a real steal. The pics showed the table as near mint as possible... unfortunately, the seller packed it in a box the same size as the turntable. He did not even bother to tape down or fix the platter in position. By the time I got it, the platter had of course ran its course and broke the cover and snapped the tone arm off its pivot point.

    I really was devastated by that. It was the only time I won something I really, really wanted on ebay.

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    Jon s,

    That sucks. I have also experienced the same thing. Now, I provide detailed instructions on how I want stuff packed. I ask the seller before I bid if my packing requirements are a problem and I offer to pay for the extra packing material. This usually gets the items to me in one piece.

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    All, just to clarify, PFB has every reason in the world to hate UPS and to not want to deal with them. I am with him at least as far as the wanting a different shipper thing.

    Could he have handled it better? Sure...
    But so could the seller. Fact is, if I buy something from you, I should be your favorite person in the whole wide world until 45 days after the auction ends or I post positive feedback.
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    ZLTFUL,

    The USPS service might be different, but as far as the other shippers, there is no difference. Loaders and unloaders are under the same amount of pressure to move packages through the system.

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    Except when you "win" something, you are basically entering into a contract as per the terms laid out on that item's page. It's nice and all that the seller gave some leeway, but he was absolutely not required to since the listing blatantly laid out that shipping price.
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    Between UPS and FedEx....I'll stick with the USPS for shipping audio stuff- and I work for one of the first 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jflail2 View Post
    Except when you "win" something, you are basically entering into a contract as per the terms laid out on that item's page. It's nice and all that the seller gave some leeway, but he was absolutely not required to since the listing blatantly laid out that shipping price.
    There was no seller giving any leeway? j,fail 2 read the thread again

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    This is illogical. Either the seller picks a service and the final shipping charge is based on your zip code----OR----the seller can charge a flat-rate shipping charge regardless of zip code. Sometimes sellers "make-out" or "lose-out" when they charge flat rate shipping. So, which one was it Spock?

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    Anyone else get the feeling all the facts are not being presented? Bottom line, you bid, you won and you're bound by the terms of the auction, pfb. Seems like we've heard similar stories from you before.

    Fail!
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    Just hope you get it in good condition. Id pay more to know i get it all in good order. Good luck PFB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keiko View Post
    Anyone else get the feeling all the facts are not being presented? Bottom line, you bid, you won and you're bound by the terms of the auction, pfb. Seems like we've heard similar stories from you before.

    Fail!
    There is no facts, all that was said was " can you ship this fedex because I have had a few bad experiences with ups damaging packages and just leaving them outside my door" and he said " sure I can do that" I reply " great and why is the shipping so much will you revise the price on that forme when you switch to fedex" He tells me " Contact me when the auctions over and I will have that shipped out to you" Right there I never asked anything else about shipping and we spoke about the speaker line level inputs

    So there you have it, won the auction said hi I won can't wait for the sub to get here blahblah and the guy ignores several more messages and then it opens up with my first post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keiko View Post
    Anyone else get the feeling all the facts are not being presented? Bottom line, you bid, you won and you're bound by the terms of the auction, pfb. Seems like we've heard similar stories from you before.

    Fail!
    Just a matter of time til he breaks it himself....

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    Can you send a postcard without drama???

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    Quote Originally Posted by polkfarmboy View Post
    There is no facts
    I declare a mistrial. This case is dismissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken brydson View Post
    Just a matter of time til he breaks it himself....
    And demands a replacement; out of warranty of course. It's just how he rolls.

    Don't forget to ask about free shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose68Bash View Post
    It is pretty obvious that many sellers on eBay inflate the shipping price that they quote in their listings and post "low-ball" prices for the items listed. This practice makes their items appear more attractive and assures them that they get the amount they want from their auctions. Is this deceptive? I don't know, but I do know that they put it right out there in front of God and everybody to see. That's life on eBay.

    When I buy, offer or bid, I include shipping as I consider the price I'm willing to pay. That way there are no surprises and no gripes on my side.

    Just my humble opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Polkie2009 View Post
    I've noticed in the past couple of years, Ebay sellers will sometimes post a Buy It Now price that looks like a deal, then they charge a buttload for the shipping and handling. Better to just buy from the trusted sellers here at CP flea market.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moose68Bash View Post
    Amen to that!
    Not to bolster PFB's tatics on Ebay buying, I will say this, EBAY caught onto inflated shipping charges about 2+ years ago. There is really no advantage to "over charging" for shipping as they now apply the same sellers percentage to shipping cost as they do to selling cost. A huge dis-incentive to mark up shipping because as a seller you are paying the same fee as if you charged "market value" for your item. In fact it has become a burden to those of us sellers who charge the actual shipping fee, because now we ALL pay a percentage to Ebay for shipping. The d*ckheads who overcharged for shipping ruined it for all of us!!!!!!

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    Another casual observation on CP is how people continue to buy/sell on EBAY and don't have a f*#king clue how it all works!! How does someone participate without some basic knowledge (not just directed at the OP). I read several threads about EBAY and guess what......................I've read the fine print and know EXACTLY what's going on, how are some people soooooooooooooo clueless? It's all there on the internets....try lifting a finger(s) and doing a bit of research......no Dewey Decimal system needed!!!

    I have zero tolerance for peoples issues with EBAY in regards to things spelled out in black and white in the user agreements.

    PFB, don't effing pay him until he makes good on his supposed offer to reduce shipping..............are you effing stupid to send him the full amount and then expect him to "refund" you?

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    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    I never paid him though when he telling me he will refund me when I had posted the first time. I knew he never wanted to sell it low so I ended up paying the full amount late last night. Its a lesson learned and the moral of the story is don't take for granted that a seller will honor his words, make him honor them before bidding ends

    I think we can all leave this thread be, the many different views and opinions are appreciated

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    So you never sent him $$$ yet he was vehemently telling you he would refund your purchase? Something doesn't add up if that's the case. People don't refund $$$ they haven't received!

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    Something doesn't add up
    Case in point, Brock. But then again, it's a pfb thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Another casual observation on CP is how people continue to buy/sell on EBAY and don't have a f*#king clue how it all works!! How does someone participate without some basic knowledge (not just directed at the OP). I read several threads about EBAY and guess what......................I've read the fine print and know EXACTLY what's going on, how are some people soooooooooooooo clueless? It's all there on the internets....try lifting a finger(s) and doing a bit of research......no Dewey Decimal system needed!!!

    I have zero tolerance for peoples issues with EBAY in regards to things spelled out in black and white in the user agreements.

    PFB, don't effing pay him until he makes good on his supposed offer to reduce shipping..............are you effing stupid to send him the full amount and then expect him to "refund" you?

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    Sorry to be so on point PFB, but the anonymity of Ebay breeds less than honorable people so make sure you understand the rules and be leery of taking someone at their word if it's going to cost you more $$$. Here's how you should have handled it.

    1) contact the seller BEFORE the end of the auction
    2) get him to commit to the shipping reduction in writing
    3) wait for him to change the shipping in the ad
    4) if he doesn't change the shipping, don't bid on the item.

    If he's not good on his word I'd be suspicious about the condition and operation of the item too. There have been instances when I demonstrated to the seller his/her shipping price was out of line and they changed it for me. In the instances they didn't, I moved on to the next seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Yeesh. This is why I avoid ebay, I just fail at it. I'll just cough up the extra cash and buy from Crutchfield or Best Buy. Way less drama.
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    Surprisingly I've had over 200 transactions on Ebay and maybe a handful of minor issues and only 2 major issues all of which were decided and remedied in my favor. But, then I can sort of pick the good/bad sellers. I usually open a dialog with them, see how they respond, etc. I don't really buy high dollar items either to minimize the risk. I think the most I've spent on Ebay from a seller, not an established retail store front is $200. From a well known e-tailer I've spent upwards of $600. I spent $1K back in the "good" days of Audiogon, although that one made me nervous.

    It really is about risk and reward, especially for items you can no longer buy new. I have bought several hundred new/used tubes on Ebay and only twice had some issues. Once the seller stood up the other was resolved in my favor through Ebay.

    To each their own
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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