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    Talking/hearing is very, very soft touching.

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    I'm not sure you went around the same bend as everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    I'm not sure you went around the same bend as everyone else.
    I'll take that as a compliment.

    If you listen to the FM show Radio Lab they explain the idea.

    Talking moves air that moves and vibrates key parts in the ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    Which brings you back to the first time you ever heard a halfway decent recording of your own voice on a halfway decent rig. "Wow! That's what I sound like (out there)?"
    You're damned right. I was lucky. Had the auditorium by myself with a sound board that had more buttons than the Space Shuttle itself and no matter what I tried, there was NO way I could get my voice to sound like what it did to me.

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    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.

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    Until i find out different, i will continue to trust my ears

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikezappa View Post
    Talking moves air that moves and vibrates key parts in the ear.
    This just in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    This just in?
    That's called very light touching, you got it.

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    To answer some comments, I don't think you have to really be familiar with the voice, to know if it's being reproduced accurately. Here's some examples; when voices sound as though they are coming exclusively from the tweeter, rather than being spread in a linear fashion, thru the midrange. These can come off as nasal, processed, "electronic" sounding, grainy---rather than smooth & natural. Chestiness; too much bass extension in the voice giving it an unnatural body that wouldn't exist in reality. Sibilance; is it a natural roll-off, that doesn't appear at all harsh or over-done? I think this one is critical to crossover quality/design, and extremely important. BALANCE....this one is tough to describe, but I'll try; having the voice touch all the right frequencies in its range, at the right level. Make sense? Harbeth opened my eyes and EARS to just how accurate a speaker can reproduce the human voice; not an advertisement, just an honest observation. The Fritz Carbon 7's were darn close, but a little too subdued in treble. I'd draw an anology of the Carbon 7 as sounding like someone speaking in a anechoic chamber, versus a typical livingroom. They lacked a little natural ambiance/air.
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    DAC/Preamp: Benchmark DAC/PRE
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    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
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    I was taught at a very early age that from source to speaker,the reproduction of a piano is a very good measurement of the quality of the equipment being tested by ear..this has served me well over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    To answer some comments, I don't think you have to really be familiar with the voice, to know if it's being reproduced accurately. Here's some examples; when voices sound as though they are coming exclusively from the tweeter, rather than being spread in a linear fashion, thru the midrange. These can come off as nasal, processed, "electronic" sounding, grainy---rather than smooth & natural. Chestiness; too much bass extension in the voice giving it an unnatural body that wouldn't exist in reality. Sibilance; is it a natural roll-off, that doesn't appear at all harsh or over-done? I think this one is critical to crossover quality/design, and extremely important. BALANCE....this one is tough to describe, but I'll try; having the voice touch all the right frequencies in its range, at the right level. Make sense? Harbeth opened my eyes and EARS to just how accurate a speaker can reproduce the human voice; not an advertisement, just an honest observation. The Fritz Carbon 7's were darn close, but a little too subdued in treble. I'd draw an anology of the Carbon 7 as sounding like someone speaking in a anechoic chamber, versus a typical livingroom. They lacked a little natural ambiance/air.
    Gong.

    If you've never seen a particular painting, how could you judge if copies were accurate?

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    Yes, they are the only source I have.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs

    Ofc: Wright WLA12 preamp: Anthem Amp 1: Pio Elite DV-79AVI: Airport Express: CAL Sigma II DAC: PA LS90 sonicaps and mills

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsmith View Post
    Yes, they are the only source I have.
    Well now, that's a good way to put it.

    Tom
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    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsmith View Post
    Yes, they are the only source I have.
    I validate my ears with the vibrations from the fillings in my teeth. If they match then I know what I hear is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    I validate my ears with the vibrations from the fillings in my teeth. :
    Put a paperclip in your mouth, maybe you could pick up satellite radio for free.

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