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    Default I am going to take the plunge

    I can't find any new speakers out here that wasn't made for home theater sound.
    So.. I am going to build my own.
    This is what I was looking at to put into the speaker.
    Dayton Audio ST210-8 8" Series II Woofer
    Aurum Cantus AC120/50CK 5" Midwoofer <this size may change
    Morel CAT 408 1-1/8" Compact Soft Dome Tweeter
    Dayton Audio XO3W-500/4K 3-Way Crossover 500/4,000 Hz


    I figure I couldn't do any worse from what I have seen.

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    What speakers have you looked at? Budget?

    Are these drivers and XO's based on a current known design?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven72555 View Post
    Dayton Audio XO3W-500/4K 3-Way Crossover 500/4,000 Hz


    I figure I couldn't do any worse from what I have seen.
    I hate to be a debbie downer but using an off the shelf formula based crossover such as that usually results in less than great results even if you use excellent drivers.The reason being is that the values used assume the drivers have perfectly flat frequency response and present a purely resistive load.Niether is the case so the result is less than ideal driver blending.A crossover must be designed specifically for the drivers used and requires accurate frequency response and impedance measurements.If you want to do DIY I would suggest looking at some of the excellent fully developed designs from the likes of Zaph Audio's, and conbributors at Parts express tech talk forum and Meniscus web sites etc..http://meniscusaudio.com/kits-c-133.html http://www.zaphaudio.com/
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    I can't find any new speakers out here that wasn't made for home theater sound.
    Either you haven't looked very hard or in the wrong places as there are a vast quantity of speakers out there made for 2 channel.

    Location Twinsburg, Ohio
    I've got family around your area, you're going to look around the Cleveland area.

    In Shaker Heights, http://donbetteraudio.com/products/loudspeakers/

    Another, http://www.audiovisions-online.com/homeaudio

    Of course, you can always shop online at Polk's eBay store. The LSiM series are aimed at music lovers.
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    Another great spot in Cleveland is Audio Craft on Carnegie Ave.
    http://audiocraft.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumlie View Post
    Another great spot in Cleveland is Audio Craft on Carnegie Ave.
    http://audiocraft.com
    There's a great spot in Cleveland?
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    Generic crossovers are the bane of the DIY world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    There's a great spot in Cleveland?
    Lot's of them, if you know where to look.

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    Not only are driver measurements from manufacturers inaccurate at times, but the cabinet they're placed in can have a huge influence in frequency response.

    Start here:
    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...Building-Bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumlie View Post
    Lot's of them, if you know where to look.
    I think he was being sarcastic, facetious, what have you.
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    No, he wasn't. Lots of nice places there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    Not only are driver measurements from manufacturers inaccurate at times, but the cabinet they're placed in can have a huge influence in frequency response.

    Start here:
    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...Building-Bible
    I had a Parts Express tech guy give my cabinet plans with my choice of speakers in mind.
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    Again, either you haven't looked very hard or in the wrong places as there are a vast quantity of speakers out there made for 2 channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    Again, either you haven't looked very hard or in the wrong places as there are a vast quantity of speakers out there made for 2 channel.
    Where do you live? What is your stereo set up?
    I live outside of Cleveland, and there isn't much in the way of REAL stereo dealers out here.
    Everyone is so hyped up with the home theater sound. I have looked.
    I am also not going to 700+ dollars for one speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven72555 View Post
    I am also not going to 700+ dollars for one speaker.
    Is that because you can't afford it, or just a matter of principle thing?

    If economic then try to work out a way. If a matter of principle then that is just stupid.

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    You know what..
    This thread was started because I was hoping for some "constructive" hints and ideas on how I can build some speakers. After all, I am in the DIY subforum.
    No its a freakin debate over what I can or cannot afford.
    I shall assume there is nobody that can build speakers that wants to help me out here.

    So, I will consider this thread closed and I'll go look elsewhere for some constructive help.

    Thanks anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven72555 View Post
    Where do you live? What is your stereo set up?
    I live outside of Cleveland, and there isn't much in the way of REAL stereo dealers out here.
    Everyone is so hyped up with the home theater sound. I have looked.
    I know where you live, I addressed that in post #4, but here it is again. Both are REAL stereo dealers.

    In Shaker Heights, http://donbetteraudio.com/products/loudspeakers/

    Another, http://www.audiovisions-online.com/homeaudio

    Of course, you can always shop online at Polk's eBay store. The LSiM series are aimed at music lovers.

    I am also not going to 700+ dollars for one speaker.
    I had a feeling that was the real issue.
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    I would go to Madisounds web site and they can design a crossover for you with the drivers they have in mind. They have a crossover program called "Leap." I cloned a pair of Merlin TSM speakers by using Morell drivers from parts express and a Leap crossover. I did buy
    the cabinet as well

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    I would go to Madisounds web site and they can design a crossover for you with the drivers you have in mind. They have a crossover program called "LEAP." I cloned a pair of Merlin TSM speakers by using Morell drivers from Parts Express and a LEAP crossover. I did buy
    the cabinet as well. You can spend more on crossover parts than you do on the drivers. I spent about $900 on the parts for three
    speakers. The downside is there is no resale value.

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    I would go to Madisounds web site and they can design a crossover for you with the drivers you have in mind. They have a crossover program called "LEAP." I cloned a pair of Merlin TSM speakers by using Morell drivers from Parts Express and a LEAP crossover. I did buy
    the cabinet as well. You can spend more on crossover parts than you do on the drivers. I spent about $900 on the parts for three speakers. The downside is there is no resale value.

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    should have been one edited post-not sure what happened.

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    Madisound is very good.

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    You cabinet/dimensions appear to be for a single full range driver but then your driver/crossover compliment suggests a 3 way design.
    Stuff a 3 way design into a cabinet designed for a single full range driver is going to be anything but musical.


    Nobody is shooting down your idea of building your own speakers. But if you have never done it before, it is FAR better to start with a kit rather than the TONS of trial and error you are going to go through trying to get your random individual drivers and pre-fabbed crossover to work right together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZLTFUL View Post
    You cabinet/dimensions appear to be for a single full range driver but then your driver/crossover compliment suggests a 3 way design.
    Stuff a 3 way design into a cabinet designed for a single full range driver is going to be anything but musical.
    THAT cabinet design was given to me by one the Parts Express "Tech" guys after I told him what woofer I wanted to put in there. I even questioned him on that choice.

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    A pair of Magnepan MMG's could be yours for 599.00 plus shipping. They will run circles around what you are proposing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven72555 View Post
    I can't find any new speakers out here that wasn't made for home theater sound.
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    Umm, there are a few.
    Here are some:

    http://www.harbeth.co.uk/uk/index.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhardy6647 View Post
    Umm, there are a few.
    Here are some:

    http://www.harbeth.co.uk/uk/index.php
    That was a screwed up suggestion.
    Do you own a pair?
    Have you heard a pair?

    Did you even check the prices on those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven72555 View Post
    That was a screwed up suggestion.
    Why is that a screwed up suggestion? Your original statement was "I can't find any new speakers out here that wasn't made for home theater sound." Harbeth speakers are designed and built for musical enjoyment and not theater. He exactly addressed your questions.

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    Do you own a pair?
    Have you heard a pair?

    Did you even check the prices on those?
    Yes, I believe he owns a pair; or at least a few of our members do.

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    Here are two speakers from Madisound that are expertly designed, and even come with cabinets at around $400 a pair:

    http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...16-2-way-pair/

    http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...with-cabinets/

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    Quote Originally Posted by zingo View Post
    Why is that a screwed up suggestion? Your original statement was "I can't find any new speakers out here that wasn't made for home theater sound." Harbeth speakers are designed and built for musical enjoyment and not theater. He exactly addressed your questions.



    Yes, I believe he owns a pair; or at least a few of our members do.
    6000 usd a pair?

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