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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    I don't know why you pay me either, but I do appreciate it. I won't be getting paid for awhile, while the rest of you bitch about something that will not affect you at all. Keep that in mind.

    Not ALL of us are Senators and Congressman, some of us are blue-collar joes trying to earn a living---just like you.
    Hey Steve sorry to hear that...Believe it or not i am so out of the loop that I didn't even know what this was about at first. My bro in law works for AZ fish and game and is the main paycheck in a house with two small kids. And today is his birthday. Dumbarsses in Washington apparently don't care how this affects regular folks. So dysfunctional its unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveinaz View Post
    I don't know why you pay me either, but I do appreciate it. I won't be getting paid for awhile, while the rest of you bitch about something that will not affect you at all. Keep that in mind.

    Not ALL of us are Senators and Congressman, some of us are blue-collar joes trying to earn a living---just like you.
    How is stopping this disaster called "Obama Care" not affecting ALL of us
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    I love how some people think one of our political parties is more to blame than the other one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkg999 View Post
    I love how some people think one of our political parties is more to blame than the other one.
    I agree, Washington needs a barbed wire enema
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    Damn... give you guys a nice thread about good weather and better traffic and you guys go nuts!:laugh:
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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    How is stopping this disaster called "Obama Care" not affecting ALL of us
    It's stopping those who can't afford heath insurance the benefits of the Affordable Care Act. The rest of the civilized world provides universal health care. Don't get me wrong, our plan definitely has it's flaws, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkg999 View Post
    I love how some people think one of our political parties is more to blame than the other one.
    Well said.

    Our current state reminds me of trying to teach my 2 year old and 4 year old to share. No matter how logical it seems to those on the outside looking in, no matter how loud anyone yells at them, no matter how many toys get taken away, they fail to realize how compromising and getting along will benefit the greater good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    It's stopping those who can't afford heath insurance the benefits of the Affordable Care Act. The rest of the civilized world provides universal health care. Don't get me wrong, our plan definitely has it's flaws, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

    If only that were true. I know we're not supposed to discuss politics here, but let's be clear, the Affordable Health Care Act has nothing to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with taking over 1/5th of the US economy, stripping away even more personal liberties, destroying the health system we have now, and creating another billion dollar bureaucracy. If all they wanted to do was provide health care to those who couldn't afford it, or needed subsidizing, the existing Medicaid and Medicare systems could have been overhauled and expanded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    Damn... give you guys a nice thread about good weather and better traffic and you guys go nuts!:laugh:
    Really? That's what your thread was about :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    It's stopping those who can't afford heath insurance the benefits of the Affordable Care Act. The rest of the civilized world provides universal health care. Don't get me wrong, our plan definitely has it's flaws, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by strider View Post
    Well said.

    Our current state reminds me of trying to teach my 2 year old and 4 year old to share. No matter how logical it seems to those on the outside looking in, no matter how loud anyone yells at them, no matter how many toys get taken away, they fail to realize how compromising and getting along will benefit the greater good.
    Are you two crazy? Do you actually expect people to use logic and common sense at the same time around here or in politics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    If only that were true. I know we're not supposed to discuss politics here, but let's be clear, the Affordable Health Care Act has nothing to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with taking over 1/5th of the US economy, stripping away even more personal liberties, destroying the health system we have now, and creating another billion dollar bureaucracy. If all they wanted to do was provide health care to those who couldn't afford it, or needed subsidizing, the existing Medicaid and Medicare systems could have been overhauled and expanded.
    I don't know what kind of drugs your on! but having had to use medicare/medicade there is noway anyone could overhaul those systems, there just too broken to fix!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpod View Post
    I don't know what kind of drugs your on! but having had to use medicare/medicade there is noway anyone could overhaul those systems, there just too broken to fix!.
    Sorry, no drugs here, but blowing up the system isn't the answer. I did say overhaul, not just continue the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpod View Post
    I don't know what kind of drugs your on! but having had to use medicare/medicade there is noway anyone could overhaul those systems, there just too broken to fix!.
    And you want to give them another program to foul up? Before he took office he said he would clean up medicare/medicade, and that allone would be almost enough money for an ACA. Well lets do that first.

    We need to clean up a lot of crap before dumping more on the system and watching the Gov't grow.

    And trust me I know all the D&R shoveled crap on our systems, and until we have the 100,000,000 man march with pitch forks in hand they both will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txcoastal1 View Post
    And you want to give them another program to foul up? Before he took office he said he would clean up medicare/medicade, and that allone would be almost enough money for an ACA. Well lets do that first.

    We need to clean up a lot of crap before dumping more on the system and watching the Gov't grow.

    And trust me I know all the D&R shoveled crap on our systems, and until we have the 100,000,000 man march with pitch forks in hand they both will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    Sorry, no drugs here, but blowing up the system isn't the answer. I did say overhaul, not just continue the status quo.
    I know you said overhaul but believe me it's just to broken. A small case in point several years ago I needed 2 new tires & tubes for my manual wheelchair (there just a standard 24" x 1 3/8" bike tire) so I called the locale wheelchair place and told them I needed 2 new tires & tubes for my manual wheelchair and to bill Medicare, The guy came back and said are you sure you want to do that because the tires alone are $87.00 each of which Medicare will approve only $57.00 of which they'll only pay 80% of and because by law we have to charge you full manufactures suggester retail price you'll have to pay the difference. He then suggested I order them from the catalog service it would be a lot cheaper But they don't take Medicare. So that's what I did payed out of my pocket $22.50 for 2 new tires & tubes delivered to my door that's less than the co-pay on one tire through Medicare.

    Know you tell me dose that make sense, And that's just the tip of the ice berg. The whole thing needs to be scraped and redone without the help of the health care insurance company's, hmo's or anyone who would financially benefit from the out come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpod View Post
    I know you said overhaul but believe me it's just to broken. A small case in point several years ago I needed 2 new tires & tubes for my manual wheelchair (there just a standard 24" x 1 3/8" bike tire) so I called the locale wheelchair place and told them I needed 2 new tires & tubes for my manual wheelchair and to bill Medicare, The guy came back and said are you sure you want to do that because the tires alone are $87.00 each of which Medicare will approve only $57.00 of which they'll only pay 80% of and because by law we have to charge you full manufactures suggester retail price you'll have to pay the difference. He then suggested I order them from the catalog service it would be a lot cheaper But they don't take Medicare. So that's what I did payed out of my pocket $22.50 for 2 new tires & tubes delivered to my door that's less than the co-pay on one tire through Medicare.

    Know you tell me dose that make sense, And that's just the tip of the ice berg. The whole thing needs to be scraped and redone without the help of the health care insurance company's, hmo's or anyone who would financially benefit from the out come.
    Sorry for what you had to go through gimpod, but creating another layer of bureaucracy on top of and in addition to two other failed bureaucracies isn't the answer. Look what Homeland Security has become, it was supposed to streamline everything to do with national security. It's a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    It's a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westmassguy View Post
    I know we're not supposed to discuss politics here, but let's be clear,
    Clear about what? It's pretty clear to me. YOU want to discuss politics here and that's that. Perfectly clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Grand View Post
    Clear about what? It's pretty clear to me. YOU want to discuss politics here and that's that. Perfectly clear.
    I didn't bring it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkg999 View Post
    I love how some people think one of our political parties is more to blame than the other one.
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    Government has its many shortfalls. Politicians lie...both sides. Healthcare is expensive and insurance is a nightmare.



    BUT-- on a brighter note, POLK AUDIO ROCKS!!!

    Polkfest in 10 days. Is anyone excited? I am still planning to at least drop in on Saturday and leave the wife at the beach. Not much discussion on the board so could a few people that care about it let other's know where they are staying, what days you will be in town and if anyone needs a massive VMPS subwoofer for a great $ let me know.

    Seriously would love to see the Polkfest 2013 at Troy's thread light up with a lot of discussion and posts for the next week in anticipation of a great event.
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    I like this one!

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    Apparently only 1 side of the aisle is allowed to "not negotiate."
    Absolutely correct, when the other side uses economic terrorist tactics to try and change an existing law they don't like but could not stop under a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHNDYMAN View Post
    BUT-- on a brighter note, POLK AUDIO ROCKS!!!

    Seriously would love to see the Polkfest 2013 at Troy's thread light up with a lot of discussion and posts for the next week in anticipation of a great event.
    Well if you don't see it light up before, you will after. There has been more comedic aftermaths from Troys polkfest's than any other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post
    Nah, worse... CANADA!!!
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    See.....it wasn't me this time. LOL !!

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    I can tell you first hand, traffic today in and around the clusterfu(k known as Washington D.C. was just as bad, if not worse than any other work day. Shut down? Pfffft
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    Last Post: 12-06-2003, 01:55 PM

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