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    I'd like to thank Troy and Jstas for filling in some of the earlier history I may have botched in my post above. Another reason why older members with a deeper historical memory are important!

    A longer fest, maybe three days is a reasonable idea. Because of the time, distance and money we do need to think about it as taking a vacation or, for professionals, as a conference. In my field we move our national conferences from the West Coast to the East Coast in three year intervals so that one year we're on the West coast, then in the Midwest or mid South, then usually in D.C. and then the reverse. So that's one idea, but it's still going to "cost"!

    Another has already been suggested, "regional" fests with possibly an all in Polk Fest ever few years with the regional fests as feeds into that Big one.

    I'd also like to pick up on something Jesse said above. My own history with Polk began with meeting doro (Mark) on the old Circuit City forums, he was the Polk rep there for a while and invited me to come over the Polk forums which I eventually did after the doors closed. I cannot begin to tell you just how many Polk products Doro (and to a lesser extent, yours truly) helped to sell on the CC site! I spent a lot of time "recommending" Polk and explaining "why" on that site. So do people here! One can "never" underestimate the effect that this forum has had and continues to have on sales!

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    [long ramble]

    The future of the Polk Fest might be even more "handmade" then the past.

    Things have changed at Polk Audio. (Er, just "Polk" now, not to be confused with the college, the county, the automotive rating agency or the president who happens to be distantly related to the founder of the audio company. How's that for full circle?)

    We know this story. The small company was bought by a bigger company, the founders cashed out (as they should), and that company was in turn bought by a venture capital outfit. Shells within shells, now separated by layers and personalities and priorities between the decision-makers and the end-users. Add to that the imperative to change, wrought by people who want to leave their mark because they believe change for change's sake is good. Couple that with the nature of the entertainment market, focused on mass-acceptance, youth, portablity, and the convenience of low-quality quantity (gigbytes of MP3s) over other characteristics... And you end up here. I have no insight into the future of this company. (I do have some ideas, tho. And none of them are a return to the bearing of the original small company.) And I have no idea what the technical future of this forum may be (or this website).

    Point is, Polk Fest was a glorious idea before social media, when picnics and family reunions had to be attended in person and you couldn't get away with just posting new pictures to your Facebook wall. It was yesterday's personal target marketing. It happened to fit the personal disposition of the company at the time, concerned with building a core group of fans who recognize our mission and spread the word: grass roots marketing at its best. (That's not to say you were all manipulated by Polk marketing. We made it plain from the start, and I think we honestly believed, that we were a company who's purpose was to bring joy to people. And if we could encourage you to share that joy with your friends, well isn't that the best kind of marketing!)

    All that said, the changing nature of the company and the market should not stop the people who have met and become friends here on the Polk forum from remaining friends, or even from planning get-togethers. I'm sure that, like me, you probably take part on other forums, like AVS or HTF. So Polk Audio is not your only touchstone.

    Unfortunately, the nature of the industry today probably precludes the kind of personal support a company like the new Polk can give to a group like this. We were probably lucky this year, with the shirts and the speakers. But, as was mentioned, you don't need Polk to have a Polk Fest. (Like you don't need GM to have a Corvette Convention.) Maybe you meet up at ComicCon or Carverfest or CES, and have a little Polk-less Fest?

    Maybe it's time to start a separate forum, or Polk Audio Fan Facebook page? (Maybe this exists, maybe started by one of the people here. I wouldn't know; I'm not allowed on Facebook anymore.) Migrate the social discussions from here to there, maybe slowly over time, just in case this forum ultimately becomes a victim of website (or company) redesign.

    The mass entertainment industry is moving away from speakers played out loud. I don't have to tell you that kids today ("Kids today!") are listening to MP3s in headphones and earbuds. They're watching movies on the tiny screens of their smart phones. Sound quality in those realms is clearly not like sound quality in the realm of Troy's second bedroom. It's a different thing altogether. (And what happened to car audio? POOF! It just went away!)

    At the Polk Fest, it's always amazing to watch people gathered together listening intently, nodding their heads beatifically to the music being played at dynamic lifelike volume, the way we always wanted it. I can't see that transformed into a group of people all wearing separate sets of Polk earbuds connected to MP3 players, nodding along to tinny MP3s, or blissed out listening for audio quality from a Bluetooth device.

    Polk Fest is about sharing something in common. To continue it, grow it, we'd have to find the people today who appreciate that. Maybe this isn't the place anymore?

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    Micah - tried other forums in the past, always fell flat on their faces. I have webspace, even offered to support it still, no dice. I'm still willing but if there will be nobody to champion it or even make use of it, I'd rather not waste the time and resources. Know whut ah mean, brochacho?


    Everyone else - It's Polkfest, not Carverfest or any other fest. Blending the two, a bad idea. Let the Carver guys have their own thing. Piggybacking on theirs is just lazy. We've been doing this for 10 years. It's always been fairly successful and it's been planned without expecting Polk support.

    If you are on the West Coast, you are not the first whiner to whine about it being on the East Coast. Step up and make it on the West Coast or somewhere else already. We've been through this AT LEAST 10 times before. Sorry if it doesn't jive or it pisses you off but that's the breaks. You want it to happen, don't wait for it to happen, MAKE it happen. We also aren't limited to a single Polkfest. We've gone over this before too. If you have enough interest, make a West Coast one too. Just don't layer it on top of another one. Spread them out so you can get attendance. Then...support it. Show up. THAT is the biggest issue. When you get 30 people saying they are coming and then 20 punk out at the last second. That's not cool.


    The changes at Polk Audio should be transparent to this effort. Polk Audio is not necessary and never has been. Most people here know a different, past Polk Audio anyway and that's what they get their jollys off of anyhow. Polk threw their hat in the ring after they saw how much traction it was getting. But, different times now. It's nice to have Polk Audio in the background and have the support but if we can't pull it off without them then...we suck.

    As far as the resort thing, part of the lure of Polkfest is how inexpensive it is. We've had a wide range of attendees because of that. When you start talking resorts and stuff you start getting into a financial commitment that gets pretty large. While it may work out for the people with the money or no life to be able to devote to that, many of us have other expenses that take a higher priority. Personally, I'd rather fork over time, money and help in exchange for a place to crash or secure adequate lodgings for a few hundred bucks, tops, for 2, maybe 3 nights. I know what Carverfest can get like and I know what the costs are and quite frankly, most of you are pleasant enough to be around but I can't take more than 2 or 3 days with you. Any more than that...yeah.


    The thing about Polk is that even now, they have a ton of value for not a ton of outlay. Polkfests have always followed the same idea and it's a good idea because it gets people involved. It lets experienced people meet, talk and share ideas, thoughts, stories and so on with less experienced people and vice versa. It's not just an introduction to a hobby but to new faces. When you start going all convention style with guest speakers and other mind-numbingly droll stuff, you lose that.

    I've learned more just sitting down and asking Stu questions in his kitchen or talking to Al in Lou's guest suite or just showing Paul DiComo a set of speakers in HQ's parking lot. I don't want to go to a symposium. I want to go to a party, with people I met online and dare call my friends. I don't want problems, I don't want to get ****faced either. I don't even care if I get to listen to speakers or other gear. I just want to put a face with a name on a forum.

    Believe me, the faces are far more interesting and nothing like you were expecting. It's worth it.
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    John, my main point about polk was that there was simply nothing to draw new members or keep interest alive for many old timers. The peak of the forum came when polk made major transformations to all their lines. If this happened again, I could see the forum getting reinvigorated again.

    As far as hosting Polkfests, I'd have no issue doing it at my place as I've got three areas that can host different systems and can handle a decent crowd. The issue there is claiming the name as I've never really known how that goes about. If you're going to try and spread it out, there needs to be some guidelines on how you go about it because those of us that haven't been due to location don't know how it all works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstas View Post
    When you start talking resorts and stuff you start getting into a financial commitment that gets pretty large.
    Actually, it averages between 50 to 60 bucks per night per person if you don't require your own 3 bedroom cabin all to yourself. Each cabin can comfortably hold between 4 to 23 people, depending on which cabin one chooses. Also, there is NO fear of anyone drinking and driving. FWIW.

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    OK.... West Coast Polk Fest... my house, second weekend in May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    OK.... West Coast Polk Fest... my house, second weekend in May.
    Not that it matters, but that eliminates most in this general area due to LSAF being the first weekend in May. I couldn't make it anyways, but wish I could.
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    Near Mother's day [May 11th], John? Good luck with that.

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    OK.... last weekend in April then
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    Seems to me that a lot could be accomplished by pairing the Polkfest with one of the larger audio fests that people have mentioned. Not actually combine anything but rather, have it the same weekend as RMAF here in Denver. They have it planned out through 2015 already so there wouldn't be any excuses for planning. RMAF only goes until 6 the first two days leaving plenty of time for dinner and beers the rest of the night.

    Interesting ideas for lack of participation on the forum. I lurk nearly every day, but haven't posted in a long time about anything significant because even in the short time I participated, the general attitude of the crowd here seemed to worsen. Also, I don't really have much to discuss anymore. Like a lot of folks, I joined because I had monitor line speakers and wanted to learn. After I asked the same questions the rest of the starters to the hobby did, I got bored reading the same threads over and over again. I really don't see much of a reason to be excited about Polk any more either. Sure, I still enjoy my LSIs but I don't see anything in the near future kicking in to make me consider another Polk purchase.
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    I got bored reading the same threads over and over again. I really don't see much of a reason to be excited about Polk any more either. Sure, I still enjoy my LSIs but I don't see anything in the near future kicking in to make me consider another Polk purchase.
    I am so sad.

    Just saying.

    ...Please continue with the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah Cohen View Post
    I am so sad.

    Just saying.

    ...Please continue with the conversation.

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    I agree but I'm right there with him. For me, even the lsim is a bit of a disappointment. Good to see you grim, didn't know you were still lurking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DSkip View Post
    I agree but I'm right there with him. For me, even the lsim is a bit of a disappointment. Good to see you grim, didn't know you were still lurking.


    John, what part of Cali are you in?
    San Fernando Valley... I do have small announcement. The SRS/M project is a go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    OK.... last weekend in April then
    If you have it at your place John, there's a very good chance I can make it. Thanks for offering to host sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    San Fernando Valley... I do have small announcement. The SRS/M project is a go.


    Excited now?
    Build it and they will come. I might hitch a ride too.
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    I should have the CADS done by the first of the year.... then off to the builders.
    The walls are going to be 1 1/4" MDF all the way around, with a TON of internal bracing. They will be finished to piano-quality levels and weigh in well north of 275 pounds each....

    Let the drooling begin.
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    I wouldn't want to piggy back on something like Carverfest. That's their deal and I wouldn't want to dilute it for them. The format is a bit long for me also, I agree with the 3 day length.

    The LSAF idea sounds good, though. Can you drink beer at LSAF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nooshinjohn View Post
    I should have the CADS done by the first of the year.... then off to the builders.
    The walls are going to be 1 1/4" MDF all the way around, with a TON of internal bracing. They will be finished to piano-quality levels and weigh in well north of 275 pounds each....

    Let the drooling begin.
    For some reason I see a Judge Reinhold/Ruthless People quote in your future...
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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    Quote Originally Posted by strider View Post
    I wouldn't want to piggy back on something like Carverfest. That's their deal and I wouldn't want to dilute it for them. The format is a bit long for me also, I agree with the 3 day length.

    The LSAF idea sounds good, though. Can you drink beer at LSAF?
    This is not a formal show so much as it is a gathering... you can do whatever the hell you want. If it was going to be paired with something, THIS is the show to do it with.
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    LSAF is special. You only pay for your room at regular room prices no entry fee's for vendors or attendee's. The Embassy Suites has a living room and a bedroom so no extra cost for a room to sleep in, just set the gear up in living room. We bring ice chests and liquor, but for some reason I still end up with a nice bar tab, and they do have a restaurant. We play music till we pass out.

    Last year we Polkies had 4 rooms with Usher's(DSkip), Dynaudio(Txcoastal1), Head phone(Assimilated), Vintage(Assimilated buddy), and a DIY(Russman). There were approx. 60 other vendors split DIY and Commercial.

    You could not set up your own rooms at RMAF due to fee's and the music pretty much stops at 6pm, not sure about Capital Audio Fest.
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    LSAF has always been a "secondary Polkfest". Club Polk was one of the earliest and largest supporters thanks to RuSsMaN.

    But, again, like strider said, while Club Polk is welcome to come down, making it a "Polkfest" dilutes the LSAF identity and detracts from their efforts.

    LSAF is always posted here and there is usually a fair amount of members that attend. If members want to get together for a Club Polk meetup at LSAF, great! More power to you!

    But hijacking an event that is unrelated to Club Polk or Polk Audio that others have put time, effort and resources in to because we want to be lazy about it...well, that's just pathetic IMO.

    Running a PF really isn't THAT hard. It takes time and commitment and if you do take it on and need a hand there is never a shortage of help. You just have to ask. We've had several PF's be group efforts with time, labor setting up and breaking down, calling local joints for group discounts and such and even just forking over some extra cash to lessen the financial burden on the host. The PF never has a cost associated with it aside from a hotel room and/or a rental car and even then we've been able to swindle discounts and group rates.


    Club Polk is about people. It's not about product. That alone is worth the effort to keep the singular identity and do our own thing. That's how it was from the start and how it's managed to stay for 10 years now.

    If you yahoos actually make it part of someone else's "fest", I'm gone. If I wanted to go to Carverfest, I'd hang around on the Carver forums. Same with any other fest. I don't attend them unless they are shows like LSAF or CAF because I'm not a member of those groups and I know no one there. I'm a nuisance here and this is my "audio home". We have a very large population here and even though only a fraction of it is active, it's still there and still quite large. Plus, even though the head honchos changed, Polk still supported this year's fest and everyone said last year that they were going to likely stop supporting it for this year. No other "club" that I know has that kind of support. Maybe the commitment isn't as big but hell, we get to come to this spot in the Internet...FOR FREE because of Polk Audio.

    Why you guys want to abandon that, I don't know. Why you want to deny that and go play in a wholly unrelated sandbox, I don't know.

    I know why most of the "old timers" don't hang around anymore. It's this suck ass attitude and whining. There's no "community" here anymore. It's just a bunch of wishy washy people unwilling to commit or make an effort because it's hard.

    You think there is a problem? You want to fix it? Go look in a mirror. There is your solution. Get to it already, time's a wastin'.
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    Just to make things clear I never meant to insinuate that PF merge with any type of events, but I will encourage people to create regional gatherings how/wherever that might be. It is difficult to find fellow enthusiasts as per say "just down the street."

    These local regional gatherings should promote a lead to making larger events such as Polkfest where ever it may be located. Skip has already offered his home for a Club Polk gathering outside of LSAF, and has already had a couple.

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    Polkfest was never about Polk, just as the Forum was never about Polk. In the case of the Forum, I served up the vessel at a time when there weren't many (any?) other places to talk audio; you provided the community, enthusiasm and energy. Sure, in the beginning, most of you owned Polk so that's what drew you together, but that not why you've stayed.

    Hell, Polkfest wasn't even Polk's idea - thank you Russ. You guys started it, so it's up to you whether you end it. Personally, I'd be sad to see that happen. Call it what you want; just call it. My 2 cents, but hanging it of some other event makes no sense to me? Carver, RMAF, NBA finals...who cares? OctoberFest? - you guys drink like heathens.

    For what it's worth, I'll happily volunteer my place again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UsedtobeKAB View Post
    Polkfest was never about Polk, just as the Forum was never about Polk. In the case of the Forum, I served up the vessel at a time when there weren't many (any?) other places to talk audio; you provided the community, enthusiasm and energy. Sure, in the beginning, most of you owned Polk so that's what drew you together, but that not why you've stayed.

    Hell, Polkfest wasn't even Polk's idea - thank you Russ. You guys started it, so it's up to you whether you end it. Personally, I'd be sad to see that happen. Call it what you want; just call it. My 2 cents, but hanging it of some other event makes no sense to me? Carver, RMAF, NBA finals...who cares? OctoberFest? - you guys drink like heathens.

    For what it's worth, I'll happily volunteer my place again.

    Al (used to work for Polk)
    Well, there you go. If this is not motivation to keep this going, I don't know what is.

    And that room upstairs with the SRT setup was something to behold, and worth the "price of admission"!! lol
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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    Still there. The bed's in the middle.

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    Good morning, Al.

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    I HATE that I missed PF at Al's place. Stupid Air Force!

    I agree with Al....PF is, at it's heart, about the membership here. It has really, nothing to do with Polk. My thing is, the membership has to be the ones to keep it going. It's not fair to say, well, these guys don't contribute any more blah blah....it's not about that. It's about each of us.

    My whole thing is here is to revive flagging interest. It seems that keeping PF alive is an academic exercise for most....and I get it, not everyone can make it regardless of where it is. As a group though, we have to be fired up about it.

    As far as location, look guys.....nobody has ever said that it can't be in LA or Kenosha, WI. Historically, the way it's worked is that the attendees sort of hash it out. That said, 2 of the 4 that I've had is because PF was homeless that year. 2004, I lobbied for. I always said that I wouldn't let PF go homeless and that's how the last two wound up here (2006 was because someone had to drop out through no real fault of their own). So, if you are motivated to host.....there isn't anything stopping you so I'm not really hearing that one.

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    Ok, I'll lobby to hold a Polkfest in the summer of 2015. That secures its place for at least two years.

    Just don't tell my wife...
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    The problem is not where polkfest is but whom is coming to polkfest is the problem. Polkfest isn't a 5 member party, that's why Polkfest is dead IMHO.

    I do think Troy would support Polkfest to the end of this world.

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    More than ambivalence has diminished participation at several of the more recent events.

    Let's face it, the economy took a big hit and is not back yet. Too many are not back to where they were. PF is cheap but not free.

    And Diz, it was raining so hard that I kept an eye out for Noah the whole time I was at your place. Anyone that could back out at the end was smarter than me.

    Polk's last was down but I blame myself for not giving everyone ample time and working harder to get everyone jazzed.

    Troy's, I can't explain.

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