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    Want something interesting ? Feast your eyes...

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/sol...plifiers-80020

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Want something interesting ? Feast your eyes...

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/sol...plifiers-80020
    I wish....someone would hafta smuggle that over the line for damn sure...lol

    Besides, wrong colour, wouldn't match the HCA-1200II :)
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    hrm this VSX21TXH that I found looks interesting...a real Elite model.
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    Screw VSX, I found a SC-61...$800 with full 3 year warranty...worth it ?
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    Ok comparison time. Excluding internal amplification and MCACC v Audyssey etc.

    Pioneer SC-61 $799

    versus

    Marantz SR5008 $744

    Debate !
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    I'm going to say Pioneer SC-61, only because it's a few characters shorter than a Marantz SR5008. A member's signature is limited to so many characters. I don't think the Marantz SR5008 will fit! Unless, of course...you send me your Parasound HCA-1200II. That would free up space in your signature.
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    Hermit, just for that I'll go buy a DEH-X6500BTSC-1227-KVSX-1128-KSC-61SC-79VSX-1122-K unit....eh ? :)

    And I actually own one of the above...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    DEH-X6500BTSC-1227-KVSX-1128-KSC-61SC-79VSX-1122-K
    Coincidentally, that just happens to be my Windows 7 product key!
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    I'm still confused on what your trying to do. If the Marantz NR 1403 was too complicated for you, what is it you hope to gain with a Pioneer Receiver ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    I'm still confused on what your trying to do. If the Marantz NR 1403 was too complicated for you, what is it you hope to gain with a Pioneer Receiver ?
    Basically the wiring jungle behind my system is a clusterbleep. I need more proper inputs to hook things up so the sound sound quality improves, here's how it's all hooked up.

    CDP = Most normal of all, analog ICs to 3490

    PS3 = HDMI to TV, Optical Cable to 3490

    XBox 360 = HDMI to TV, Supplied elcrapo A/V cable supplying audio to 3490 (really crappy IC if you ask me but you have to use it for analog audio output for the latest incarnation of the 360)

    Mac Mini = HDMI to TV, 3.5MM to RCA adapter to 3490

    AppleTV = HDMI to TV, analog IC from TV to 3490 (TV has crappy DAC trust me)

    Takes on a good input change, 2-3 remotes to accomplish tasks. Sure I have a Harmony remote but as of late, it's become untrustworthy as in it's dying.

    Mission, eliminate some of the clusterbleep, simplify operation overall. True going to a full on AVR will give me some of that. I do need to get my learn on when it comes to operation of any AVR. To be frank, it's a mess behind the system. Plus my girlfriend...is technically a luddite when it comes to operating my system, if I can make it easier for her to throw on a BR or game, great. But the main objectives, eliminate some wiring, make system use easier overall.
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    Then you should have kept the Marantz. You won't be really eliminating that many cables either. Instead of the ones connected to the TV, they will in turn just be connected to the avr. Your still changing inputs by a remote, just that those input changes are done on the receiver rather than the TV. Maybe a better remote would solve your issues ?

    If your wife is not tech savy, gets confused easily with all those buttons, your more simple solution is to simplify your system. My wife still gets confused on what button to push on the remote, and I've simplified things down more than I wanted to. Another alternative is to leave a cheat sheet, outlining what buttons to push for various functions.....and limits on the volume dial. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Then you should have kept the Marantz. You won't be really eliminating that many cables either. Instead of the ones connected to the TV, they will in turn just be connected to the avr. Your still changing inputs by a remote, just that those input changes are done on the receiver rather than the TV. Maybe a better remote would solve your issues ?

    If your wife is not tech savy, gets confused easily with all those buttons, your more simple solution is to simplify your system. My wife still gets confused on what button to push on the remote, and I've simplified things down more than I wanted to. Another alternative is to leave a cheat sheet, outlining what buttons to push for various functions.....and limits on the volume dial. LOL
    All you have to do on our TV is turn on the TV then turn on the Cable Box. There are buttons for TV and ON, and CABLE and ON, on the REMOTE. And my wife still can't always watch TV without asking my daughter or me how this works? And the woman is fluent in several languages and a Professor? lol

    It really couldn't be simpler!

    nbrowser, you REALLY need an AVR with all the HDMI INS/OUTS, etc. Trying to run all that stuff into a stereo receiver is an exercise in futility!

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    LOL....I hear ya CNH, my wife is the same. A very smart woman, VP in here area of expertise but can barely turn on the bdp. Something about electronics that throws them into a dizzy. Her whole life she's had an IT department to configure her work computer, laptop, Iphone. Which makes the case for....if you always have someone else do everything for you, you'll learn nothing. That carry's far beyond audio too.

    In any event, I agree....having HDMI inputs to simplify some things is a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    hrm this VSX21TXH that I found looks interesting...a real Elite model.
    Btw....I have this exact one. A real Elite model ? No sir....not even close. A good budget receiver...yeah. SQ is better than most but not near as good as the totl models or a good pre amp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Which makes the case for....if you always have someone else do everything for you, you'll learn nothing. That carry's far beyond audio too.
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    On my Onkyo remote I press the "My Tv" button. It turns on the AVR, the TV, and the Dish Network box. If the AVR was left on a different input it changes it to the correct input and it switches the remote to control the dish network box. Press the "All Off" button and it all shuts down. The remote is programed via the on screen menu by searching the internet for model numbers. No more trying each code to see if all the functions work.

    Deffinatly get an AVR with HDMI inputs and use one cable to hook each device up. You have all these devices that supply audio and video to your tv. You have a Home Theater system even though you only have 2 channel stereo.
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    All these replies...but no mention of the two contenders...SC-61 or SR5008...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    All these replies...but no mention of the two contenders...SC-61 or SR5008...lol

    Whats there to comment on ? Both have HDMI, the Marantz is slightly warmer sounding than the Pioneer, which from your last Marantz purchase you said you liked. Both will do what you want them to do, pick one. Nothing really to comment on since your only using it for connectivity and 2 channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Whats there to comment on ? Both have HDMI, the Marantz is slightly warmer sounding than the Pioneer, which from your last Marantz purchase you said you liked. Both will do what you want them to do, pick one. Nothing really to comment on since your only using it for connectivity and 2 channel.
    Yes but...I *might* hook the A3s up as rears for fun....never know...lol
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    Dangit...my head is spinning, reading the manuals online for the SR5008, the SC-61, NR1604, RX-A830, RX-V1075 and a couple of others...holy crap...no Plug n Play here...wowzers! Just mount my head on a stick and spin...that's how I feel right now...
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    No such thing as plug and play anymore like the old school 2 channel receivers. Hooking up 2 more speakers for stereo is simple and a one button push on the remote. Using it for movies, once the inputs are set up, is the same.

    This is why I keep harping on reading the manual...twice....cover to cover. You need to understand what everything does and how to set-up the receiver. Otherwise you won't be too happy with your purchase.

    A feature you will also need is the pass thru in standby mode. So the stereo doesn't have to be on all the time while the tv is. There's ways around that if a receiver doesn't have that option, but that requires a few extra steps which your trying to limit in your system. Not all receivers have this, so make sure yours does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    A feature you will also need is the pass thru in standby mode. So the stereo doesn't have to be on all the time while the tv is. There's ways around that if a receiver doesn't have that option, but that requires a few extra steps which your trying to limit in your system. Not all receivers have this, so make sure yours does.
    Or just turn the TV speakers off and use the stereo speakers for that as well.
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    Get the Marantz. It's prettier IMO. You already stated you like the sound. With the price difference you can take the wife out to a casual dinner and a movie.
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    Stick a fork in this one, no AVR will be purchased, can't find "the one"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    Stick a fork in this one, no AVR will be purchased, can't find "the one"
    Whats "the one" ? LOL

    A plug and play avr that requires no thought in setting it up ? Won't ever find that.

    If surround sound isn't your bag, then stick with 2 channel and educate the girlfriend. No shame in that at all. You are however missing out on Blu-rays excellent audio formats. That alone is worth it in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyb View Post
    Whats "the one" ? LOL

    A plug and play avr that requires no thought in setting it up ? Won't ever find that.

    If surround sound isn't your bag, then stick with 2 channel and educate the girlfriend. No shame in that at all. You are however missing out on Blu-rays excellent audio formats. That alone is worth it in my book.
    It's not the plug n play aspect, it's the situation of "There's a whole lot of choices and what to get is beyond my brains abilities to process which one is the best deal" sort of thing. Walked into a store last night, 4 different models all around the same price. 3 Pioneers and a uplevel Yammy (No won't buy Yammy). Throw in a couple of Marantz models for higher confusion and one store that has a SC-1328 for deep DEEP discount.

    Let's just say my brain is overloaded on selection here. And erm...Blu-Ray ? I have a Blu-Ray player, dunno if it can do Blu-Ray audio but it can play movies quite well and I am utilizing the optical out on it cause the built in DAC leaves a lot to be desired. But still only stereo output.

    The list of consideration units with prices...rounded off to the nearest dollar. In no particular order.

    Marantz

    NR1403 $450
    NR1604 $600
    SR5008 $744

    Pioneer

    SC-1227-K $800
    SC-1228-K $850
    SC-1328-K $720
    SC-61 $800
    VSX-1128-K $700
    VSX-1123-K $$650

    Anthem

    MRX700 $900

    The only real common factor in all the units, Front Channel Preout. Now you see where my confusion comes from ? Specification OVERLOAD!
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    All of them will fit your need. The more expensive ones having better amp sections and a few more bells and whistles. I'm going out on a limb here and say once you have a 5.1 system for music, your going to swallow it hook,line and sinker.

    BTW, hooking up a BDP by optical doesn't afford you the newer surround formats or 5.1 audio available on BR music discs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermitism View Post
    Coincidentally, that just happens to be my Windows 7 product key!
    Lol ! Half that is is my Office 2007 Pro key too !
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    Well after careful consideration, I'll see about picking up the SC-1328 tonight, rejig the system using the amp+A7s for fronts of course, my A3s as rears and until I can afford a CSiA6, my at Tannoy Mercury V1s in parallel as the center. If I don't like the 5.0 setup it won't be hard to take it back down to a 2 channel system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbrowser View Post
    Well after careful consideration, I'll see about picking up the SC-1328 tonight, rejig the system using the amp+A7s for fronts of course, my A3s as rears and until I can afford a CSiA6, my at Tannoy Mercury V1s in parallel as the center. If I don't like the 5.0 setup it won't be hard to take it back down to a 2 channel system.
    FYI: I LOVE my SC, but it's functions and remote are far from simple. It took a good two or three weeks to learn what everything did after using it every day. I kept the manual next to my chair for a couple weeks, then downloaded the manual to my tablet for reference. After you figure it out, it's not bad, but it has so many settings!
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