Gear That I HATE....

**POLKOHOLIC** · 02-06-2004 04:14 PM

Bose 701 "Direct/Reflecting" Floorstanding Speakers--it has a damn 3in "Tweeter" wtf is that?!? Sounds like Bose Direct/Reflecting **** to me...

**RuSsMaN** · 02-06-2004 04:25 PM

That's a picture of a 601, and they now have a 1" dome tweeter, and an internal folded horn.

Cheers,
Russ

**shack** · 02-06-2004 04:25 PM

Bose 701 "Direct/Reflecting" Floorstanding Speakers

Way too easy...If you are going to start this tread at least get creative.

**VR3** · 02-06-2004 04:29 PM

I dont like Denon Receivers...

I dont like Sony, never heard ES

I dont like M&K

I dont like Jensen

I dont like Bose

I dont like Pioneer, or Pioneer Elite

I dont like Onkyo

I dont like Panasonic

I dont like the new Advent

I dont like Infinity (new)

I dont like, ALOT of things audio.

My personal least favorite has gotta be Denon receivers along with anything with a Bose name on it.

In close third is Pioneer/Pioneer Elite,

Then comes Onkyo, then far far away is the rest.

Yep thats my list.

Why? I either don't like the way they sound, they're overpriced, i've had a bad experience with the gear, etc etc

**HBombToo** · 02-06-2004 04:29 PM

Thats it!!! I'm trading in my Polks.:(

HBomb

BTW, Its Friday, I'm burnt and don't want to spend the rest of the afternoon here and boy does a cold beer sound good.

**PolkThug** · 02-06-2004 04:35 PM

Samsung has come out with some reflecting crap. Have you seen these turds? The front L/R each have a driver angled off to the sides to create fake surround. How it works is awful - these drivers are basically sent a delayed echo of the front L/R, what a joke.

Mmmm beer. I need to recharge my CO2 tank, arghhh!

**Tour2ma** · 02-06-2004 08:24 PM

Pioneer... My first and strongest negative audio bias still lives...

**mantis** · 02-06-2004 09:22 PM

Hating things audio............sounds like you need a n ew hobby.

**Zero** · 02-06-2004 09:22 PM

After you work at CC.. it happens.

**steveinaz** · 02-07-2004 09:34 AM

I hate companies that refuse to sell on the internet. Some of us live in the bush, hundreds of miles from an authorized dealer....

**TroyD** · 02-07-2004 02:36 PM

I wouldn't say that I HATE anything but there are some things that I'm indifferent to.....

Adcom amps. I owned one for about a week. I prefer Carver. Some love them but I just couldn't dig them.

Pioneer. The HPM-100's have a cult following but just never liked them, indifferent about thier electronics for the most part. I have a pair of CS-88's. The cabinets are fabulous the sound is another story.

Cheap horns.

Paradigm. Now, I'm not saying that I dislike them. I think the PDR series of subs is the best value in CHEAP subs on the market. I've just never been able to get fired up about the Monitor series of speakers. The Reference series is pretty decent.

Totem Staffs. Not a swipe at ATC as I know he has a pair. A buddy of mine has a pair that he runs with CJ and Jolida gear. The sound ok, cabinets are cool but they sound chesty to me. String acoustics are a bit to overdone, IMO. Surprisingly good bass but can't get past the thick midrange. He loves them, I don't.

BDT

BDT

**hotwheelman** · 02-08-2004 01:55 AM

Sid, why the beef with denon? I have an older dolby pro and have yet to find a reason to not like it. Just curious for your 2cw.

**VR3** · 02-08-2004 02:50 AM

TO ME -- (Their Receivers)

The highs are dirty
Mids are DEAD, I mean totally missing, no life, no vibrancy
Bass...BOOM BOOM, drives me crazy, over-pronounced, over-powering (maybe a better term?).

I think they're WAY overpriced. Any receiver a grand is in the range of being stamped as *overpriced*. Reason? You can get a KILLER seperates system for a grand....

I just don't like Denon, I dont like Pioneer Elite, I do not like receivers.

Now I have a Denon CD Player on its way :D I like their sources!

**TroyD** · 02-08-2004 08:27 AM

Are you saying that all Denon receivers are over a grand? Not so.

You may not like them, though I don't recall you owning one either, but the one I own was much less than a grand and sounds nothing like you describe. Different strokes for left handed people.

BDT

**wallstreet** · 02-08-2004 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
TO ME -- (Their Receivers)

...

I think they're WAY overpriced. Any receiver a grand is in the range of being stamped as *overpriced*. Reason? You can get a KILLER seperates system for a grand....

...

Not that I would ever try to change your opinion on something, but where can I buy a KILLER separates system for 1G? The cheapest pre/pro is Outlaw Audio at $950. I wouldn't go as far as to characterize the Outlaw as KILLER. Even if it were KILLER, it's already eaten all of your budget, Unless you know of some $50 amps.

**VR3** · 02-08-2004 01:59 PM

I dont like Denon.

I dont like receivers. Just my tastes...

Are you saying that all Denon receivers are over a grand? Not so.

Troy, your the funniest guy I know! LoL

Different strokes for left handed people.

Olp, I'm right handed. I heard Denon at Tweeter...and uh...no thank you. You would think Denon's deadness would match Klipsch well. In some respects, it does. Man that Klipsch sounded terrible paired with the Denon. So did the Boston, and various other speakers. Soon after we switched to a Pioneer Elite, and the same speakers shined. So we had that to gather. To prove one thing. The Denon was just terrible. This was the 3803(?). Slightly above a grand. Mind you.

but where can I buy a KILLER separates system for 1G?

EBay.
ADCOM (535 (170.00) x3 510.00 for a 5 channel setup. Leaves 490 on a preamp. You can get a killer preamp on EBay for that $$$ , 545 (200-250.00) x3 750 MAX, still leaves a good amount for a preamp! Adcom GTP-600)
ADCOM or NAD or Rotel (dont know model number) or Marantz, all go for barely over 200, sometimes in the 300 range. (preamp) (GTP-600, NAD 917)

I'm still amazed at how much people overlook EBay just because your dealing with used gear.

**Zero** · 02-08-2004 03:40 PM

Not to dismiss your point Sid, but the Denon 3803 can be had fairly cheap on ebay. As can most receivers. Something like a used NAD and Rotel receiver can seriously challenge a group of seperates in the price range. Its what makes them such an attractive, and popular solution.

Hey, some people like the dull sound..

**MTXMAN** · 02-08-2004 05:06 PM

My first hatred in audio has got to be sony car audio. I'd pay more for the cardboard that they're packaged in than i'd pay for the gear. If someone ever gave me sony for free i wouldn't desecrate my car with it, i'd just sell it to some stupid 16 yr old who doesn't know jack and thinks xplod is the shiznit.

Bose is a close second to sony.

**hotwheelman** · 02-08-2004 09:28 PM

Sid,I have always thought denon to have a very smooth sound overall, never weak in the midrange and the upper end to be very none fatiguing when used with the right speaks of course. And as far as the bottom end being boomy? They have never sounded like that to me, maybe the loudness option ( or what ever they call it now) was activated and sometimes will give you that boominess that you refer to with certain listening material.

**JrVtecAccord** · 02-09-2004 04:23 AM

HTIB's are what I dislike, I mean the ones that claim 500 watts of power, progressive scan dvd player, five speakers and sub, but yet still sell for around $100. These usally come in brands you never heard of.

**wallstreet** · 02-09-2004 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
TO ME -- (Their Receivers)

I just don't like Denon, I dont like Pioneer Elite, I do not like receivers.

I do not like green eggs and ham said Sid I am.
I will not listen to Denon, I will not listen with Bose, I will not listen with B&K.
Do not listen to me. Do not talk to me. Do not listen to what I say.

**PolkThug** · 02-09-2004 10:56 AM

I hate Sony watt ratings on their receivers. How the hell do they get away with this crap?

I respect Sid's opinion about receivers. I've always wondered what my system would sound like with dedicated amps and not use the receivers amplification.

Regards,
PolkThug

**dorokusai** · 02-09-2004 11:01 AM

Sony follows the guidelines set down by the industry, granted its barely a guidleine for measurement, but its there. Sony is not the only manufacturer that posts some questionable power ratings, or is this just Sony bashing time?

**PolkThug** · 02-09-2004 11:19 AM

Originally posted by dorokusai
or is this just Sony bashing time?

Not trying to bash. There are lots of manufactures that participate in "watt abuse". I'm sure your ES line ratings are more accurate. Sony stands out for me, because of the big stickers they put on their sub $300 receivers that say "700 watts", and I always have to explain to confused customers that some of the other receivers that claim just a mere "480 watts" have better amplifiers in them that will outperform the Sony.

Ideally, I wish all receivers were rated at "20hz to 20khz all channels driven."

Regards,
PolkThug

**HBombToo** · 02-09-2004 11:32 AM

Originally posted by PolkThug

Ideally, I wish all receivers were rated at "20hz to 20khz all channels driven."

Regards,
PolkThug

All channels driven is key to the ps.

BTW Toby, I found out in a meeting last week that your fiance works with my good friend Sean at Lucent. Small world my friend!

Lets make some plans for some beers dude. I need an intervention:D

HBomb

**dorokusai** · 02-09-2004 11:42 AM

PT - I agree completely that there needs to be a clearer definition of how the power is measured. It is their position in the marketplace that drives those claims, they are one of the top manufacturers. I would say its a marketing problem if anything. Obviously they don't care too much about how that comes across to you and I, the educated consumers, because it has been the same way for years.

Sony claims that because it is possible, but the problem lies in the distortion levels at that same claimed, advertised power. Sony uses the method of rated power before audible distortion...now that in itself is the wrong approach, IMO. I want nothing to do with 500x2 if its right on the verge of sounding like crap.

I feel your pain hoss. :)

**PolkThug** · 02-09-2004 11:58 AM

Originally posted by HBombToo
Lets make some plans for some beers dude. I need an intervention:D

HBomb

Sounds good. I need to get my CO2 tank filled on the kegerator (it didn't survive the super bowl party), then I'll have some people over.

**HBombToo** · 02-09-2004 12:24 PM

Originally posted by PolkThug
Sounds good. I need to get my CO2 tank filled on the kegerator (it didn't survive the super bowl party), then I'll have some people over.

I was actually thinking that you can take a trip to Lee's Summit when convenient...

HBomb

**PolkThug** · 02-09-2004 12:27 PM

Originally posted by HBombToo
I was actually thinking that you can take a trip to Lee's Summit when convenient...

HBomb

Sounds good. Hopefully I won't get "SVS envy". :D

**VR3** · 02-09-2004 06:00 PM

Originally posted by wallstreet
I do not like green eggs and ham said Sid I am.
I will not listen to Denon, I will not listen with Bose, I will not listen with B&K.
Do not listen to me. Do not talk to me. Do not listen to what I say.

Wow...........

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