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    IMHO, it takes a pretty good system to hear a difference in cables. Perhaps, it is more evident to someone who has invested in JC-1s, and made his Polks a labor of love. That said, in my youth I was able to discern 1dB differences easily, and was involved in album mix-downs. Today tinnitus, and age cause a distressing inability to tell the difference in many sound qualities, so I have not spent vast sums to acquire great amps and cables. More power to anyone who can hear the subtle differences. Enjoy it while you can.

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    I can hear a 1dB change. It's not much but it's detectable. I think the definition of a dB is the smallest volume change an average person can detect.

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    It's not just differences in sound level between cables, there can also be differences in imaging and sound stage dimensions.
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    And, I'll add tone(s) to that as well.
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:

    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldmanSRS View Post
    I can hear a 1dB change. It's not much but it's detectable. I think the definition of a dB is the smallest volume change an average person can detect.
    Decibel is only a measurement of energy, there are also other identifiable differences that can place within the same dB. Some of those items are phase, distortion, and although it's debatable, group delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SciFiTom View Post
    IMHO, it takes a pretty good system to hear a difference in cables.
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    Eh...yes and no Tom. Maybe a more "revealing" system is the proper terminology...and that need not cost a lot of coin. Differences in cables can be subtle...but also profound, even if your ears are old like mine. So I wouldn't poo-poo the idea of trying different stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    Decibel is only a measurement of energy
    It's not only that. In relationship to hearing it equates in terms of sound volume to the the smallest volume change an average listener can detect.

    I think we need a new argument on this thread :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldmanSRS View Post
    I think we need a new argument on this thread :)
    I don't! I think we have argued enough. Whoa!! - that's an opinion and on here giving an opinion is an argument. Looks like I just started a new argument with you. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennMan View Post
    I don't! I think we have argued enough. Whoa!! - that's an opinion and on here giving an opinion is an argument. Looks like I just started a new argument with you. :)
    Only when you state an opinion as a fact, and then say people are delusional (placebo effect) if they do not agree with your opinion.

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    Well that's just like your opinion, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    It's not just differences in sound level between cables, there can also be differences in imaging and sound stage dimensions.
    In my audio travels, I have met many who don't even know what that really means or what is possible. They still think that sound eminating from a left and a right speaker is imaging. Makes me chuckle. If they only knew...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarqueKnight View Post
    I have never heard or seen a difference in audio or video performance with any digital cable I've tried, whether it was optical, coax, or HDMI. The last digital cable comparison I did was in 2009:

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    I compared HDMI cables made by Acoustic Research ($20), Rocketfish ($85), and Monster Cable ($130). There was no performance difference among them. I subsequently compared the $20 Acoustic Research HDMI cables to $8 Monoprice HDMI cables, didn't see or hear a difference between them, then returned the AR cables.
    It took me forever to find this. I remembered you saying that you didn't hear any difference in HDMI cables. There is no doubt that you have a more trained ear than me. I was using a Monster Ultra 800 HDMI between my Blu-ray player and my SC-05. Then I upgraded it to an AudioQuest Chocolate HDMI, late last year. When I hooked it up it seemed to have a brighter sound than what I was hearing before. A brighter sound was not what I was hoping for, but now I don't seem to notice it anymore. Is there a burn-in process with HDMI cables like there is with speaker cables? Could that account for the brightness I thought I was hearing when I first started using the new cable or was I just imagining a difference? Or did I just get used to it over time? Or am I just looney?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermitism View Post
    It took me forever to find this. I remembered you saying that you didn't hear any difference in HDMI cables. There is no doubt that you have a more trained ear than me. I was using a Monster Ultra 800 HDMI between my Blu-ray player and my SC-05. Then I upgraded it to an AudioQuest Chocolate HDMI, late last year. When I hooked it up it seemed to have a brighter sound than what I was hearing before. A brighter sound was not what I was hoping for, but now I don't seem to notice it anymore. Is there a burn-in process with HDMI cables like there is with speaker cables? Could that account for the brightness I thought I was hearing when I first started using the new cable or was I just imagining a difference? Or did I just get used to it over time? Or am I just looney?
    I think there's a burn in time. My image appeared brighter for at least the first 3 months after I swapped cables. Eventually it settled down, I think. Hard to really tell the difference sometimes, but I'm pretty sure it made a decent difference.
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