Tom, thanks for the tip on the Gilmore vinyl. Hochpt21: if you like instrumental Zappa, get ahold of Shut Up And Play Your Guitar, if you don't have it already. Maybe my favorite Zappa instrumental set. I only know a few guys who have the vinyl, not sure what it goes for, prolly lots, but I have the cds and the cds sound really good, its a 3-disc box set. There are also a series of live "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore ..." which are also pretty good, I haven't heard them all, Vol. II has a good "Sexual Harrassment In The Work Place" recorded in Madison in 1985. A concert I wanted to attend, but I was "too busy." Regretted it since.