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    Default Speaker and amp 'brightness'

    I'm reading the threads making claims about speakers and amps being too 'bright. Are these differences in 'brightness' being perceived as a comparison of a 20 watt bulb to a 60 watt bulb? If not then what is the difference?

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    I always perceived it as bright being high in the treble, in your face sound. Harsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsauto49 View Post
    I always perceived it as bright being high in the treble, in your face sound. Harsh
    What he said.
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    It's treble that makes you wince like you just walked in the sunlight.
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    IMHO there is 2 definitions of "brightness" that seem to be a bit confused, is the sound bright or forward???

    Where there is a bit of confusion (again IMHO) is a forward speaker, like my Usher MD2 are forward and play jazz, blues, and classical very well highlighting the upper end details of the genre, or the peak of Ozzy coming out bright/harsh in a Black Sabbath song.

    Now in rock/classic rock which at times lack some instrumental detail will come off bright when certain Hz are hit making the sound a bit fatiguing.

    Now one listener may not be affected or may like the effect of the bright/forward sound while others may not. I like forward in my Jazz/Blues but warm/neutral in my rock. This is the reason I have multiple systems.

    Confusing as hell but you know it when it just hits the right spot and it is a lot easier to discern the differences when you have more than one completely different systems or spend some time at shows/show rooms.
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    Forward to me is a speaker that presents a soundstage extending in front of the speakers. It seems like treble plays with the depth of the soundstage. Most brighter speakers are more forward, and warmer ones feel more recessed, often times presenting a stage well behind the speaker. Forward doesn't mean it has to be bright, but I did notice the soundstage start to recess some as I added more warmth to my rig.
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    ^ +1, My ZU's were very forward speakers with most of the soundstage in front of them and yet I never considered them "bright."
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    So I'm listening to music through LSiM703 with my tube amp and then my SS amp that many here claim.is 'bright'. I don't hear 'bright'. What I do hear is a different dimensionality. As if instruments are more forward or more spread out. I guess I can understand harsh brightness in lo-fi components....but after a certain point ...oh well...I'm sure this will start arguments.

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    Your lsim's border on warm. It's a better synergistic match. Trust me, you can get hifi rigs that make your ears bleed. It's all about component matching and getting a solid tonal balance in your rig.

    You can also get rigs that sound like syrup. You might be too close to that sweetness for your own liking when the tube amp is in the mix.
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    I agree. LSiMs are not a bright speaker. They do have good detail for a speaker that is not, though!

    Nothing to add here, pretty much on the same page about brightness and forwardness with those above. Good discussion!

    I am a "warm" man myself. Not warm to the point of no resolution and backgrounding music but warm enough not to fatigue, but to calm and relax when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprags View Post
    I guess I can understand harsh brightness in lo-fi components....but after a certain point ...oh well...I'm sure this will start arguments.
    So far it looks like a discussion although we may all have a slightly different definition of bright. Improved focus, detail and resolution can sound bright to some yet excite others.

    As it was mentioned early on, systems can sounds bright when there is too much treble energy, or too much treble energy relative to the rest of the frequency range. In other words, unnatural peaking of high frequencies or lack of mid bass can make the bright word happen. A room can make things bright just as some gear can. Also, high frequencies that are compressed, confused, smeared or distorted can make for brightness.

    Main thing is if you like a certain sound quality, no worries about what others say.

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    Here is what Stereophile says about bright.

    "bright, brilliant The most often misused terms in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band. It is not related to output in the extreme-high-frequency range. All live sound has brightness; it is a problem only when it is excessive."

    More terms than you can shake a stick at...

    http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/M...-glossary.html
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    Last night I had my tubes connected to the 703's because that's the speaker I bought for this system and I had the SS system connected to TSi300 because that's the other speaker I have. Granted the 300's don't have the clarity and openness of the 703's but in the grand scheme of things they were ok in sound volume. I'm looking for another speaker to uses with my 100 wpc stereo integrated amp.

    Any suggestions?

    My one idea is to go with Klipsch Heresy's with the tubes because those are tube speakers and dedicate the 703's to my SS system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCompRacer View Post
    So far it looks like a discussion although we may all have a slightly different definition of bright. Improved focus, detail and resolution can sound bright to some yet excite others.

    As it was mentioned early on, systems can sounds bright when there is too much treble energy, or too much treble energy relative to the rest of the frequency range. In other words, unnatural peaking of high frequencies or lack of mid bass can make the bright word happen. A room can make things bright just as some gear can. Also, high frequencies that are compressed, confused, smeared or distorted can make for brightness.

    Main thing is if you like a certain sound quality, no worries about what others say.

    EDIT:

    Here is what Stereophile says about bright.

    "bright, brilliant The most often misused terms in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band. It is not related to output in the extreme-high-frequency range. All live sound has brightness; it is a problem only when it is excessive."

    More terms than you can shake a stick at...

    http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/M...-glossary.html
    Semantics...

    Just like language, audio terms can evolve. Calling an LSi7 a bright speaker isn't correct, even though by the above term it might have 'brightness'. The 2khz-8khz range is where it starts to shred your ears if its out of balance with the rest of the rig. Sibilance can become overwhelming if 2khz is out of balance, and anything above 8khz has never bothered me. The more energy there, the more energetic the music sounds, but I still like it to be balanced with the rest of the music.
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