New Denon Flagship Receiver

[thehalo8]

OMG, has anyone seen the new Denon Flagship AVR-5805 that is coming out?!?!?!?! I was just talking to my boss last week about how Denon needs to come out with a new receiver. This thing is a beast; I can't wait till the full specs are out on this one. I am selling my boss's Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX because he wanted to upgrade to the Yamaha RX-Z9. Now I think he is going to wait for the new Denon, I can't wait for him to get it so that I may demo it :p

Here is one of many links talking about the new Denon.....http://www.twice.com/article/CA43618...=Breaking+News

[Shizelbs]

90lbs?! Good lord!

[PolkWannabie]

For $6k why would anyone on the planet be thinking receiver

[marcpam]

my thoughts exactly

[reeltrouble1]

Marketing and people not really knowing the difference. I suppose Denon, Pioneer and the others with high priced receivers are trying to fill a niche for HT, a sort of all in one, do everthing piece. But 6,000 sure seems over the top.

[shack]

Not EVERYONE wants separates....The Denon Flagships are VERY good for those that don't want to deal with separate pre-amps, amps, interconnects, etc....$6K is not all that much for what is offered here...expecially for those that want it all in one box.

[PolkWannabie]

Ok ... I'll bite ...

For $6K why would one NOT want separates ...

For example for that price one could get a Sunfire TG IV new ($2500) and a 7 channel signature amp ( < $3500 ) with a real power rating of 400+ wpc @ 8 ohms capable of driving 4 ohm, 2 ohm and possibly even 1 ohm loads on a time limited basis doubling the output for each halving of impedance and having peak current of 120+ amps per channel. The quality would be a night and day difference. The only additional item that would be needed over a receiver would be the preamp -> amp interconnects.

[PhantomOG]

just read the release on the 2105 as well. that one seems like the sweet spot on price/performance.


Denon AVR-2105

Analog Devices AD-1837 24-bit, 192 kHz audio D/A converters on all channels, 3-input 100MHz component video switching, composite/S-video up-conversion to component. At only $650 retail I don't see much of a reason I shouldn't get it.

What I don't understand is why the 2805 at $900 doesn't get the 24-bit, 192 kHz audio D/A converters.

My Oink TX-SR600 has served me well but its lack of pre-outs has me eyeing the 2105 for an eventual separate amp purchase.

[dorokusai]

The AVR-5805 looks real nice. I like simplicity, and if it comes in one solid package, as far as HT is concerned, no problems here. I may not buy it, but I'm also not afraid to consider it.

If I wanted a bunch of amplifiers, I would have a bunch of amplifiers. As mentioned previously, some people just like a big box.

[shack]

Originally posted by PolkWannabie
Ok ... I'll bite ...

For $6K why would one NOT want separates ...

As I said...some just don't. The Denon may have more features, be more versatile, ONE BOX, no interconnects, etc... It is not always just about the sound.

Official description "The AVR-5805 is the world's first receiver with 10 built-in amplifiers, which can provide up to 16 channels of sound. Until the advent of Dolby Digital 16.1, using all those channels means doubling up the amplification in the main room and/or sending surround sound to multiple rooms from multiple sources in the main room." This may be important to some.

Ok ... For example for that price one could get a Sunfire TG IV new ($2500) and a 7 channel signature amp ( < $3500 ) with a real power rating of 400+ wpc @ 8 ohms capable of driving 4 ohm, 2 ohm and possibly even 1 ohm loads on a time limited basis doubling the output for each halving of impedance and having peak current of 120+ amps per channel. .

Lets compare new MSRP to new MSRP. Actually the amp you are referring to is the Sunfire Cinema Grand 400-7 which has a MSRP of $4,495 and the the Theater Grand IV has a MSRP of $3,995 for a total MSRP of $8,490 before interconnects vs The Denon $6,000 MSRP. I don't know about the Sunfires but you can assume the Denon's street price will be less.

The quality would be a night and day difference.

This is subjective. I personally think Denon's flagships are VERY good.

[thehalo8]

I would prefer to have it all in one box, but done right. Denon has always made nice receivers that sound "warm". Some people like separates, while others don't. I still might go separate, I keep changing my mind.....

[amulford]

I have an older Denon, I rather like it, but I don't like the amplifier section. I would have to see the specs before I would pass judgement, but they aren't very stable under 6 Ohms.

I also have a Sunfire Ultimate Receiver, 9 channels of amplification, 200 WPC @ 8, 400 @ 4, 800 at 2 (time linited basis). Actual street price was about $4K. Killer receiver.

Now one big selling point for me would be the multiple zones, but thats just me...

I still think $6k is a little excessive.

[scottvamp]

Lot of panties in knots.....
I recently posted the Onkyo flagship - Denon and Onkyo keep trying to outdo one another on thier flagships. Like cars, boats motercycles and what not. They are NOT meant to be practical. I think the Outlaw package for $2800 would give these FS's a run for the money minus all the bells and whistles...........
But I like seeing these two companies go at it. It's cool!

[PolkWannabie]

Originally posted by shack
Lets compare new MSRP to new MSRP. Actually the amp you are referring to is the Sunfire Cinema Grand 400-7 which has a MSRP of $4,495 and the the Theater Grand IV has a MSRP of $3,995 for a total MSRP of $8,490 before interconnects vs The Denon $6,000 MSRP. I don't know about the Sunfires but you can assume the Denon's street price will be less.

TG IV's can be had NIB with full warranty for ~ $2500 ...

There's really no point in buying a NIB CG Sig as the used ones are less than half the price and are as good if not better ...

As far as the subjectivity part goes ... everything in this hobby is subjective but the amps in most receivers can't touch separates on any level and that's pretty well true of receivers .vs. good preamps as well, but to each his own.

[smglbrth]

Polkwannabie - Good point, everyone, with everything has it's own points, good/bad, whatever. Hell, if I was gonna get into HT again I'd get one of those neat little "all in one box" jobbies. Why? Too save money for better two channel equipment, that's where it's at!! :p

[shack]

Originally posted by PolkWannabie
TG IV's can be had NIB with full warranty for ~ $2500 ...

There's really no point in buying a NIB CG Sig as the used ones are less than half the price and are as good if not better ...

That was kinda my point....compare street vs street. You can usually find Denon 20 - 25% off MSRP from an authoized seller and more elsewhere. My guess is that the 5805 can be had with a warranty for $4,500 to $4,800. That puts the Sunfire combo you mentioned $1,350 ± more...and it may very well be worth it to some folks....Sunfire has been around for a while and is obviously successful so they must sell quite a few.

As you said, to each his own. I will almost always go for the single box for HT as it more than meets my needs regardless of pricepoints.

I have 2 channel set up both ways....receivers and separates...both are good.

I really don't care how one spends their hard earned $ on audio and HT....It's all good based on how the buyer feels about their purchase....I was simply responding to your query as to "For $6K why would one NOT want separates ..."

[mantis]

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING on the market today in seperate preamps can do half of what the new Denon can do.

This is where the value is.Sound quality isn't always top priority for all people.Some perfer having features on top of features.The Denon avrs don't sound bad.they do a great job running speakers that match there amps.

This thing is a multiroom beast.

6 grand is a ton of cash for a receiver.I wouldn't buy it,but I'm also not looking for what this thing can do.

Dan

[brody05]

Cant wait to see the specs on it but if it weighs that much it must have some fairly decent transformers in it.

I have a Denon flagship model from a few years ago and it is still an amazing amp, it has upgradable mother boards and a remote that is like a little computor that can be reprogramed and reconfigured to run new developments in technology. The reason I bought it, well in a word, "futureproof", I got sick of upgrading amps with new technology, having high quality internals and amplification I know this beast will last a very long time. It looks neat and tidy, cabling is easy, I have so much control over fine tuning issues with set up such as seperate management of every single channel including treble, bass and fader. I have had and still have some seperates and to be honest I prefer the all in one box, seperates are great for the 'audiophile' type sound but movies are in my opinion meant to sound warm and inviting, I just dont go for that harsh bright sound that high speced seperates can give as they were mostly designed for music and not HT. But in saying that we have not got the selection of seperates in NZ that you guys have over there.

Just the way I like it and man did I used to get annoyed with all the cables from seperates, no matter what you do with them they just look messy and if you got one peice of equipment to replace or remove, what a hassle. Not to mention the expense associted with interconnects and as we all know, the more cables and connections required the more chances of interferance and quality loss affecting sound......;)

[Herdfan]

Of course there is always the WAF. Mine cares less about how much it costs as opposed to what new piece of equipment is she going to have to look at or learn how to operate. If it weren't for a Harmony remote, she would have shot me by now.:)

I could move a unit like that in and she most likely would never notice. But the first time she couldn't hear her program because one of the separates didn't turn on, my a** would be grass.

So there is a need for a unit like this.

[PolkWannabie]

That's why they make 12 vdc triggers ...

[smglbrth]

and thank goodness they do.... The man that thought that up must have been married..........

[brettw22]

I don't see how Denon could justify the pricetag personally........

I think that it's going to be a rare beast that would be willing to plunk that kinda coin down on a receiver when there are many more options out there that are as capable. I'm sure the price demand was the reason that B&K decided to drop their prices by a grand.........Denon has some balls tryin to virtually double the B&K 507's price tag......