E-baY strikes again with a fee raise

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 08:00 AM

i just got this e-mail this morning, like they don't make enough money from sellers,
when i copy and pasted it its all jumbled up, but you get the point

We are writing to let you know that effective midnight PST, February 18, 2005 eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making changes to the fee structure.

The fee changes are as follows:

Gallery
Gallery fees will be raised from $0.25 to $0.35 per listing. We will also be increasing the size of the Gallery image on search and listings pages by 56%. This will make it easier for buyers to see details of the item before clicking into the listing.

Buy It Now
Buy It Now fees will no longer be charged at a flat rate, and will instead be determined based on the Buy It Now price. Fees will be charged as follows:

Buy It Now Price Fee
$0.01 - 9.99 $0.05
$10 - 24.99 $0.10
$25 - 49.99 $0.20
$50+ $0.25

10-Day Duration
The fee for 10-day duration listings will be raised from $0.20 to $0.40 per listing.

eBay Stores
The fee for the Basic eBay Store subscription will be raised from $9.95 to $15.95 per month. The subscription fee for Featured and Anchor Stores will be unchanged.

eBay Store Inventory format listing insertion fees will remain unchanged. The Final Value Fee for Store Inventory items will change as follows:

Closing Price Old Price New Price
$0.01 - $25 5.25% of the closing value 8% of the closing price
$25.01 - $1,000 5.25% of the initial $25, plus 2.75% of the remaining closing value balance. 8% of the initial $25, plus 5% of the remaining closing value balance ($25.01 - $1000)
Over $1,000 5.25% of the initial $25, plus 2.75% of the next $25.01-$1000, plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value). 8% of the initial $25, plus 5% of the next $25.01 - $1000, plus 3% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value).

Store sellers will continue to be eligible to receive 50% off of the Store Inventory listing final value fees for Store Referral credit. Please click here for details.

Insertion and Final Value Fees
The insertion and Final Value Fees will be changing for items listed in certain Business & Industrial categories. More details about the changes for these categories are provided below. The insertion and Final Value Fees in other categories will not be changing.

Business & Industrial Listings in Certain Categories
The Reserve, insertion and Final Value Fees will be changing for select high item price capital equipment categories in Business & Industrial. Please click here to view the capital equipment categories affected by the pricing change.

The fee changes for these capital equipment categories are as follows:

Reserve fee: Lowered to $5, refundable if the item sells
Insertion fee: Raised to $20, regardless of starting price
Final Value Fee: Lowered to a 1% flat fee, with a $250 maximum charge

Additional listing upgrade fees will remain the same as for eBay.com. Pricing for all other Business & Industrial listings outside the specified capital equipment categories will remain the same as for eBay.com.

eBay will also introduce Buyer Protection covering up to $20,000 per item in these capital equipment categories this spring. eBay will offer this Buyer Protection at no cost to the buyer or seller.

The following fee changes will apply to vehicle listings on eBay Motors.

Fee Changes for eBay Motors Vehicles Listings

Reserve
Reserve will be charged a $5 flat fee for all eBay Motors vehicles categories except Pocket Bikes. This fee will still be refundable if your item sells.

10-Day Listings
The fee for 10-day listings will be changed to $8 for all eBay Motors vehicles categories except Pocket Bikes.

Pocket Bikes Category
The insertion fee and Transaction Services Fee will be lowered from $30 to $3 each.
The following fees will remain the same: Reserve ($2 flat fee, refundable if item sells), Gallery (free), Listing Designer ($5) and Highlight ($5). Motors HomePage Featured fee will be lowered to $24.95 and Vehicle Picture Pack fee will be lowered to $1.50. All other fees will be lowered to become the same as those for eBay Motors Parts & Accessories categories.

For more information about these fee changes, please see our Frequently Asked Questions.

Some international eBay sites have also changed their fee structures. To learn more, please check Announcements for the eBay site of interest.

We understand that fees directly impact our members, and take care to ensure that any decisions to change fees are made only after careful consideration of this impact. These changes will help us continue to sustain and develop a thriving global marketplace, while balancing the needs of our buyers and sellers around the world.

Regards,

eBay

**danger boy** · 01-13-2005 09:11 AM

mother suckin' EBAY!

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 09:26 AM

i know, the little sellers like me are gonna be all but gone soon.. I mean i wont stop selling, yet... but all this stuff has to be added somewhere in the price.. buyers pay also in the long run

**bobman1235** · 01-13-2005 09:34 AM

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you guys talking about?

First off, if you don't like it, don't use it. Go stick your stuff in a newspaper if you want to throw your money away. I think eBay's a pretty reasonably priced forum for the amount of value you get. Unlimited viewing and bandwidth for your item, easy ways of paying, protection against fraud.... and if your item doesn't sell you're paying like .30 cents to have it listed. Most newspapers couldn't give a doodle if you sell or not.

But again, if you don't like it, don't use it. There's craigslist - really small listing fee for stuff, but it's completely unprotected. I've personally gotten scammed from it, and there's nothing you can do. But if it's worth it for saving a couple bucks, all power to you.

**nadams** · 01-13-2005 09:51 AM

Yeah, really... quit your whining about a couple cents of fees...

It's not _that_ bad.

**Demiurge** · 01-13-2005 09:57 AM

I thought the fees were more than reasonable as well.

Huffin' Puff' over a couple bucks...

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 09:59 AM

First off, every little cent counts when you sell on a small scale.. and who asked you to determine if we should be able to complain about fee's being raised?

do you complain when your health insurance go's up? or your car insurance? or home taxes?

Do you sell on e-bay on a regular basis?

i have sold straight for 6 years, I'm a stay at home dad and take care of my daughter and use e-bay as a means for extra income along with my wife who makes a good living.. when these increases come up, it hits my profits.. i dont pad my listings with excessive shipping or handleing fee's.. high starting prices or any hidden charges.. so when fee's go up 20 or 30 cents, here and there, ended auction fee's go up, its not just .30 cents ... buy it now fee's, reserve if you use it, extra picture fee's... ended auction fee's if it sells... give me a break.. then pay-pal fee's.. someone who sells anywhere from 100.00 - 1000 a month these fee's add up! for me..

If you dont like the "e-bay" threads about fee's and such, unsubscribe... don't come in here with your "don't like it tough" attitude, it wasnt the reason for the thread...

Edit: since a few people responded since i wrote this:

No one is huffin and puffin, if you dont like the subject... don't respond.. this is coming from people obviously who dont sell much on e-bay

**Early B.** · 01-13-2005 10:06 AM

I'm with faster on this one. Those little fees quickly add up when selling on ebay. Then tack on ebay's PayPal fees, shipping costs, your personal time, etc. and soon one begins to question whether it is even worth the effort to buy or sell stuff on ebay.

ebay makes a tremendous fortune already. It's probably greed and not merely the cost of doing business that accounts for the increase in fees.

**bobman1235** · 01-13-2005 10:29 AM

Originally posted by faster100
do you complain when your health insurance go's up? or your car insurance? or home taxes?

Do you sell on e-bay on a regular basis?

i have sold straight for 6 years, I'm a stay at home dad and take care of my daughter and use e-bay as a means for extra income along with my wife who makes a good living.. when these increases come up, it hits my profits.. i dont pad my listings with excessive shipping or handleing fee's.. high starting prices or any hidden charges.. so when fee's go up 20 or 30 cents, here and there, ended auction fee's go up, its not just .30 cents ... buy it now fee's, reserve if you use it, extra picture fee's... ended auction fee's if it sells... give me a break.. then pay-pal fee's.. someone who sells anywhere from 100.00 - 1000 a month these fee's add up! for me..

If you dont like the "e-bay" threads about fee's and such, unsubscribe... don't come in here with your "don't like it tough" attitude, it wasnt the reason for the thread...

Whoa whoa dude, take a pill. I wasn't saying you have no right to complain, I'm just saying in my view it's not that big a deal. Just my opinion of the rate hikes is they're not that big a deal, and if they ARE that big a deal to you, there's other options. I especiallly don't mean "if you don't like it tough", I mean if you don't like it USE SOMEONE ELSE. The best way to tell a company that you don't like their policy is to TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. Instead you're gonna get all indignant but just pay it anyways. If no one paid it and they lost business, fees would go back down, or a more reasonable competitor would take over.

I definitely never said I didn't like your thread, I was disagreeing with you. That's the point of having a thread, for regular discourse. If you want someplace where everyone agrees with everything you say go post in magical lolipop land.

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 10:35 AM

I didn't want anyone to agree or disagree, Just stated a e-mail i recieved, nothing more

**Demiurge** · 01-13-2005 10:37 AM

Just a thought...

Ebay is a business. They provide a valuble service. They're in business to make money. They make money off of their fees. They're not doing it to be good people.

If you don't like the fees why no start your own service or don't use it? It annoys me when people whine about businesses when they have no idea what kind of costs are involved in running one. I don't even see the legitimacy of this complaint. Ebays fees are more than reasonable.

It's also absurd that we're criticizing a business for being 'greedy'. So what if they are? Who are we to determine what fees they're allowed to set for their services? The only way we can do that is when things get unreasonable, new competition arises, and people go elsewhere....there's no reason for them to worry right now.

Guess we just disagree, but these fees are more than reasonable from my perspective....and yes I buy and sell quite a bit. I also don't think EBay is the best deal in town. I worry more about the people selling the items ripping me off than I do EBay.

**Pauly** · 01-13-2005 10:39 AM

Hey boobyman he is ranting......Think we are allowed to do that

Geez

**PolkThug** · 01-13-2005 10:39 AM

"Pocket Bikes Category"

Are the fees the same for Pocket Rockets?

**Demiurge** · 01-13-2005 10:42 AM

Originally posted by spasticpitbull
Hey boobyman he is ranting......Think we are allowed to do that

Geez

Hey Spastic....he's disagreeing with him. Think we are allowed to do that!

Why do people start threads if they don't want comments. Please tell me the point? Is this the 'I agree with every damn thing everyone says' board?

Sheesh. Not like anyone was even attacking him, but I'm sure that'll be the tact that'll be taken.

BLAH BLAH BLAH THIS PLACE SUCKS I'M LEAVING! BLAH BLAH BLAH

As the world turns...

**Pauly** · 01-13-2005 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Demiurge
Hey Spastic....he's disagreeing with him. Think we are allowed to do that!

Why do people start threads if they don't want comments. Please tell me the point? Is this the 'I agree with every damn thing everyone says' board?

Sheesh. Not like anyone was even attacking him, but I'm sure that'll be the tact that'll be taken.

BLAH BLAH BLAH THIS PLACE SUCKS I'M LEAVING! BLAH BLAH BLAH

As the world turns...

Was simply stating what was going on and how i seen it, notice i havent stated an opinion on ebay's fees. I dont see it as an attack so piss off

Paul

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 10:59 AM

Demi you are the king of controvery, so i can see your stance..
i posted with no hopes of any response or not... either way. It wasnt up for disscusion, because that would imply we could change something with the fee's..

Public service announcment maybe for people who didnt read the e-mail sent by e-bay "if you will"

Also it wasnt someone disagreeing, He said if i dont like it dont use it!! period

I'm not in the mood for a rant piss fest!!

I wasnt even officially Bicthing about the fee's.. I said the small sellers would be all but gone with these increases.. so take it for what ya want to

**danger boy** · 01-13-2005 11:05 AM

i don't mind pay .10 more for a listing or whatever.

but when you raise the final value fee by huge percetage that's F*cked!

$0.01 - $25 5.25% of the closing value 8% of the closing price

$25.01 - $1,000 5.25% of the initial $25, plus 2.75% of the remaining closing value balance. 8% of the initial $25, plus 5% of the remaining closing value balance ($25.01 - $1000)

Over $1,000 5.25% of the initial $25, plus 2.75% of the next $25.01-$1000, plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value). 8% of the initial $25, plus 5% of the next $25.01 - $1000, plus 3% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value).

these are percets..they add up quickly. from 5.25% to a whopping 8% is a big fat hit in my pocketbook.

i'm just an occasional seller on Ebay.. so it won't hit me that hard either. but come on.. Ebay already owns Pay Pal which is gang buster business.

What if your internet service jumped 8% would you be concerned?

hell yeah most would be outraged.

**Demiurge** · 01-13-2005 11:08 AM

*EDIT*

Nevermind

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Demiurge
[BWell. The solutions seems simple. Don't like it, don't use it, start something different, or start your own.

I guess what is how you act like businesses don't go through the same things familys do. Health Insurance costs (which kills businesses like mine) going up. Costs of business in general.

I certainly didn't expect your reacton. I'll remember not to reply to any of your threads where a disagreement may be had.

[/B]

don't edit it demi, and don't try and play this card,"I'll remember not to reply to any of your threads where a disagreement may be had."
you started this nonsense... I just posted info and my opinion, so it seems im not the only one who agree;s except for the people who want to post just to start crap,.

It just so happens "guys" This isnt a hobby but a small source of income for us, so before you run your mouth... think

I'm done,

**Demiurge** · 01-13-2005 11:30 AM

Actually....I'd rather not respond to you on this subject anymore. So respect my wishes and take my post down. For a person who doesn't want an argument you sure in insistant on having one. Why?

And....I'm the 5th reply to this thread the majority of which disagreed with your complaint. So don't say I started anything. You're the biggest crybaby on this board and I don't know many that would disagree

**faster100** · 01-13-2005 11:38 AM

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**dragon1952** · 01-13-2005 12:10 PM

Yeah, really... quit your whining about a couple cents of fees...

I agree with faster and Early...it's like taxes. They add a few cents every so often so it doesn't seem like much at the time. Then all of a sudden you notice they're taking 30% of your income or you're paying $3 a gallon for gas.

**fireshoes** · 01-13-2005 01:04 PM

I agree that it is an awfully big increase on the final value fees. It's not like it's an inflation thing either, since it's percentage based. It's just a "we want more of your money" thing.

**AsSiMiLaTeD** · 01-13-2005 03:07 PM

ditto what DB said...

a few extra cents on this listing fee isn't that big of a deal...but going from 5 to 8 percent on the finaly value amount really sucks...

Sure, they're a business and can obviously set the price as they see fit...

I just think that if they keep doing this crap over time, the benefit of buying on Ebay will no longer exist...

**VR3** · 01-13-2005 03:26 PM

EBay charged me like 20 bucks to sell my RTi70...

That was insane, it was about as much as it cost to ship them...

I wont sell on ebay anymore, unless I *HAVE* to

**danger boy** · 01-13-2005 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
EBay charged me like 20 bucks to sell my RTi70...

That was insane, it was about as much as it cost to ship them...

I wont sell on ebay anymore, unless I *HAVE* to

then if you accept Pay Pal from people.. Ebay also charges a % fee there too for the transaction. so Ebay bitch slaps you twice for one auction.

it's downright hiway robbery if you ask me.

as a buyer on ebay.. you don't have to pay ANY fees. the seller gets whacked with all their fees.

**MacLeod** · 01-13-2005 04:39 PM

I think it comes under the "slippery slope" thing. People rag on you when you oppose a .01% increase in taxes but think about this. There was a time when there wasnt an income tax and they started one in the 40's I believe at a mere 1% and it was supposed to be temporary. By the 70's the top marginal rate was 70%! Now, even with all the tax cuts, its still 36%.

This isnt meant to start an income tax debate just as an example on incrementalism. A wise man once said,"freedom is seldom lost all at once".

Now again Im not saying Ebay is taking away our freedom, thats absurd. Im just using it as an example.

**brettw22** · 01-13-2005 05:08 PM

Originally posted by danger boy
then if you accept Pay Pal from people.. Ebay also charges a % fee there too for the transaction. so Ebay bitch slaps you twice for one auction.

I quit accepting PayPay for Ebay auctions because of this. I understand an increase in prices as a part of doing business. They've virtually doubled their fees, and that's excessive in any stretch of the imagination.

I just left my car insurance company on principle alone for doing this very thing. EFF the companies that just slap large increases 'because'.

**PolkThug** · 01-13-2005 05:31 PM

Originally posted by brettw22
I just left my car insurance company on principle alone for doing this very thing. EFF the companies that just slap large increases 'because'.

I did that also not too long ago, I warned them I was going to switch. Then after I switched, I somehow qualified for a cheaper rate.

**Early B.** · 01-13-2005 05:48 PM

Bellsouth did that to me a couple of weeks ago after I switched to another provider. Just pure greed, man.

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