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    Default The Latest and Greatest Amp...

    Anybody had a chance to hear one of these DK Design Group amps yet?

    http://show.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/shm...velation&show&

    Sure are some pretty pictures there.

    Claimed to be "better" than Mark Levinson 383, MF Nu Vista, MF KW 500, and Rowland amps. Some pretty high praise there but it is a $3,000 amp.

    Interesting tube pre and SS amp integrated design.

    Sure looks purdy but a little over the top for me. Maybe if I didn't have so much stuff already. Thought some of you might enjoy the pics.

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    I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and no offense intended, but it kinda reminds me of a freakin' battery charger :D

    EDIT: A really NICE battery charger I might add! ;)

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    Paul,

    Many months ago, I came close to pulling the trigger on this integrated. I had an opportunity to hear this piece in a decent room with a Linn Genki CD-Player.

    I listened to this combo with three speakers. The Vandersteen 2CE Signatures (which I took home with me), the Von S. VR4Jr's, and the B&W Nautilus 802's.

    I found it pretty hard to enjoy the presentation, no matter the speaker. This unit sounded good, but not great. In fact, I was vastly underwhelmed by its performance. Maybe it was the shoddy power meters that didnt work, or the anticipation I had building up to hear this piece... whatever the case may be, it just didn't move me in any way shape or form.

    In the very same room, I moved the gear over to the all-Rotel set up. Ah, how sweet that was. All the speakers were singin' and sounding beautiful.

    In the end, I will encourage others to try it out to see if it works for them. I for one, am very thankful I didnt lay down my money for this piece. I'd say that from my time with it - you get what you pay for - and nothing more.

    For those interested in this integrated.. the "signature" version of this piece should be released by the end of this summer. This means that the prices of the current integrated will sky-rocket down.

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    Zero - C'mon..if the power meters didn't work, end demo. What do you need to do further? I don't think the meters are inherent to the design, but non-working....is non-working....next. That's a completely useless demo IMO.

    Paul - It's been posted here previously if I recall....but I have no personal experience with this piece of gear.

    I like it from a outside standpoint and have always liked integrated designs personally. A properly executed integrated is often miles above many separates in this bracket. Separates are easy from a designer standpoint, big deal, how hard is it to split a chassis. I say this because some separates are simply chopped up versions of their full range gear and that's unimpressive.

    A hardcore integrated has typically already thought of the issues associated with integrated performance....and addressed and/or has solved them for the application.

    I'll use F1Nut for an example, whether he likes it or not, as his MF Tri-Vista setup is hardcore, and sounds phenomenal....I can't imagine getting anything more out of his system than he currently employs. He will naturally buy something in the future and say it improved it, but he's freaking crazy.

    The hype is big on this piece, but I'll wait to see how retail vs used works for awhile before it becomes a commodity. A couple reviews do not make me buy something.
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    "...14-day risk free home trial without any obligation to keep it for the first 14 days."

    How generous of them.

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    90 days would show some balls....you can eat up shipping in 14 days, dependent on location.

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    Yeah, 14 days isn't really enough time to even break it in.

    Zero, could have been the stock tubes or something. Tube changes have a big effect in my 6922 / 6DJ8 tube pre with SS amp configuration. Didn't your buddy Hantra have one? I thought that was him on the gon a few weeks back selling his.

    I'd love to demo one, but I'm content with the couple of tube pres that I own and their respective SS amps. If I want to change how they sound I just swap out tubes.

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    That amp ROCKS.
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    My friend Fred from the Houston Audio Society brought it up with his 'Fred Arrays' for the GPAF this weekend.

    And yes, you could call them 'power meters', however they don't show output, but rather the line voltage INPUT.

    Killer amp, a MUST own if you can swing it.
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    I wasn't aware of the meters' function, perhaps that was what affected Zero's perceived demo....shouldn't the dealer KNOW that attribute?

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    Paul,

    Stock tubes and all. I am not closing the book on it, as Id have no right to. I plan on re-visiting and having another listen on some different gear.

    Yeah, Hantra had one.

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    I haven't heard it, so no comment there. I have been following the posts, etc. about it on places like Audiogon and from what I see, one either loves it or hates it. It does appears to me as if it's getting over hyped, but the biggest thing I've noticed is a lot of them are being resold rather quickly for a greatly reduced price. That in and of itself tells me a lot.
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    For having a SS power stage, the specs kinda suck... I mean, only 150 watts w/ .1%THD? 35khz for the -1db response? 90db s/n?

    Spec don't tell the whole story, but those aren't anywhere near what they should be for what that thing costs. Gimme bryson or Rotel + $1000 worth of preamp of your choice over this thing.
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    Are you insane? The human ear cannot discern less than .5% THD. One half, of one percent. Are you hearing anything at 35Khz? No. 90db s/n is also far greater than a human can detect.

    Oh, and the measly 150 watts? All class A, c'mon now.

    I love how manufacturers ran with 'specs' in the 70's and 80's, and didn't teach the public anything along the way. A good example is the THD wars with Solid state amps/receivers. Introduce a bunch of negative feedback into the design - you can get those numbers REAL low - and F up the sound in the process.

    Not saying this will beat anything, or its the best, yada yada yada - but those that haven't heard it for themselves need only comment on how it looks.

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    Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say anything w/o hearing it, but weak specs on a SS amp make me suspect- Altough I will admit I missed that was Class A the whole way.

    As for the THD- .1% at 1khz, means .3-.5% at 20khz. So 150watts on that amp means you're running out of headroom.

    About the looks- what's up with the big fins sticking off the front? They're not supposed to be part of the heatsinks are they?
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    Originally posted by unc2701
    As for the THD- .1% at 1khz, means .3-.5% at 20khz. So 150watts on that amp means you're running out of headroom.
    Huh?

    The fins on the front are rack handles. At 82lbs, you'll need them to move it around.
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    AudioAdvisor carries this integrated now. Looks very interesting, and if sounds as robust as it looks, it should be a brute.

    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD (flac)
    DAC/Preamp: Benchmark DAC/PRE
    Power Amp: Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers: Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Monitor
    Cables: Kimber Hero/8TC; DH Labs D-75

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    SPECS:

    Type Solid State amp/Vacuum Tube preamp
    Configuration Dual Mono (partial)
    Power Supply Transformer 0.7kVA
    Power Supply Capacitance 50,000F
    Class of operation - Preamplifier Pure Class A
    Class of operation - Amplifier Pure Class A
    Input Device Types - Preamplifier 6922
    Input Sensitivity 300mV - 3.3V RMS
    Damping Factor > 200
    Signal-to-noise Ratio 94dB @ full power
    Maximum Output Voltage 32 Volts
    Maximum Current - Peak 18 amperes
    Maximum Current - Continuous 10 amperes
    Frequency Response 20Hz -20kHz 0.1db
    Frequency Response 10Hz - 95kHz -2db/-3dB
    Crosstalk @ 1kHz -66dB
    IMD unmeasurable
    THD (20Hz - 20kHz @ 1 watt) < 0.05%
    THD (20Hz - 20kHz @ 150 watts) < 0.1%

    Available Faceplate Finish Silver
    Standard Remote Control All-Aluminum Simple Function

    Power Consumption @ idle 85 Watts
    AC Power Requirements 120V / 60Hz 240V / 50Hz
    Warranty 5 Years


    Not exactly what I'd call a high current amp, but it is Class A.
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    Jesse, you amaze me sometimes.

    Please explain what you think high current is, and how it relates to the specs above.
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    I don't think that resale is really a factor at this point....unless someone here knows the actual sales figures and distribution. It is simply like every other piece of gear that ends up on the 'Gon.

    Hype? Of course, it's new, and I agree. Monster Cable had the same "hype" about their power amplifiers and a huge marketing machine moving across the country in support.....and I don't recall a discussion about them.


    Ah...the slaves of specifications.
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    Maximum Current - Peak 18 amperes
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    What did I tell you he was going to say Doro?

    A man needs to have a grasp of how different classes of amplifiers run, and what numbers for current, power supply, and capacitance are relevant to those classes.

    Funny stuff.
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    Don't concern yourself over the specifications. Russ is dead on. Classes are created for a reason and all run off different standards.

    That DK powered those current hungry speakers with absolute ease. Yeah, power is one thing it did have in spades.

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    There is no standard to measure current, wattage, or distortion.

    Everyones is different.
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    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    What did I tell you he was going to say Doro?

    A man needs to have a grasp of how different classes of amplifiers run, and what numbers for current, power supply, and capacitance are relevant to those classes.

    Yeah, well excuse me for the short response, but I had to get the hell outta here to meet Troy at Polk HQ, BS with Paul, Al, Justin, Dan and of course the man, Ken. Then off to eat some excellent brisket at a Jewish deli, followed by hooking up with Mike and then a trip to Jolida to demo gear.

    I'll tell you what Russ, since you seem to know and understand all of the above, how about you explain it to me/us in detail?
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    Nah, who cares at this point. Certainly not I. Amp sucks, don't buy it.

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    That's what I thought. What I'd tell ya Mike and Troy?

    Funnier stuff. :D
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    *insert Jesse's favorite, over-used saying here*

    That's what I'll chalk it up to. Dead Horse, beating, that whole thing.
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    Now, now, you two need to cut that out and behave yourselves;)

    Specs, shmecks... I'm all about TONE. Its a plus to have an amp that blows your pants off but the music better have tone. I rarely push any of my systems past 90 db for listening so I can try to save my ears for my later years.

    Cool pics Russ and thanks for the feedback. Damn you've been getting exposed to all kinds of cool gear. Good for ya.

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    Nah, come on Russ. I quess I don't know what you have impiled that you do, so educate us.

    BTW, The only reason I posted the specs is there seemed to be some confusion about them. I think most folks know that specs are a guide and not the bottom line.
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