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    Default Speaker grills, on or off?

    Hello,
    Just wondering how many people take their speaker gills off during a serious listening session? For anyone that hasnít tried it you should check it out. Without a doubt itís one of the biggest improvements you can get for free. Try this experiment, sit in your favorite listening position and have someone remove a grill. I think youíll be pleasantly surprised.
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    Once upon a time, before dome tweeters, beaming of HF was an issue. Heavy grill cloths were employed to help defract/ diffuse their energy.

    Today grill cloths are virtually transparent, so mostly mine stay on. But every once in a while my speakers like to play naked. I generally remain clothed, however.

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    Default Always on

    Mine are always on. Its easier for them to sonically "disappear" if you aren't constantly staring at the drivers (IMHO).

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    Been taking the grills off for serious listening for over thirty years and will continue to do so. A mental thing? Maybe, maybe not but I'm not changing the way I do it now.

    HT is another story. The grills have always remained on and will continue to do so.
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    Default My ears are better off without my eyes

    I've always found that my speakers sonically disappear when I close my eyes, which is the only way I listen to music.
    Eyes just distract from the experience IMHO.
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    Generally mine stay on. Kids , wife, and anyone who could come over and touch. When I sit to listen to 2 channel, Sometimes when I'm in the mood, I like to look at the drivers.

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    Same here BobMcG, been doing it for over 30 years. They come off on Friday night and go back on Sunday night. During the week the stress level is so high it really doesnít matter. I only do this for stereo listening, when it comes to HT Iím not as serious about the listening. As far as the speaker grill being transparent Tour2ma, no disrespect but Iím not sure I buy that one. The reason you canít see through them is they are blocking light and also sound. Just give it a try and let us know what you think. I suppose it could be all in my head but I donít think so.
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    i can see through my grills, i dunno what ur talkin about.
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    Default Glad I don't have that problem!

    Dan, You mean you have other people around the house who would actually dare to TOUCH your GEAR?????
    Man, I'd keep my eyes open too......... or lock'em out! :p

    Sleep with one eye open too??? :D
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    "A speaker designer can engineer the speaker to compensate for the inherent flaws all grills introduce, but they cannot remove the flaws. Even if they boost the tweeter output to compensate for the aborption above 10kHz, they cannot reduce the diffraction and passive delay introduces, not to mention the comb filter effect of the openings."

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    Ok I can see through mine too if I hold then up to a window, but I wouldn't want to read a book through them.
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    oulander what speakers are you running... my lsi7 grills are very transparent and yes I could read a book through them pretty easily :D I have also tried taking them off and I can't notice any difference so yea I keep them on just to keep dust and fingers off them.

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    Hi Mike,
    For my main listening I'm running Monitor 10B's in the stereo mode. I tell ya man, I can really hear the difference with the grills off. Maybe it's because the 10B's are ~18 years old?
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    Yea I'm thinking grill cloth has gone along way in 18 years :p .

    Check out my grills (sorry for the bad pics in a dark room with no flash lol)


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    Best results: grill cloth off & eyes closed. Grill cloth gets in the way of the sound. For sound to be accurately interpreted, you need to free-up brain bandwidth for acoustics by eliminating visual noise. Remember, your brain is the final component in the audio stack. Some people could definitely use an upgrade.

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    Just take any present polk speaker and feel the air from the port with the grille on. Take the grill off and feel the air from the port again. Night and day... It simply has to sound much different. Feel it!
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    You also gotta remember that the grill cloth usually flaps back and forth with the speaker, so that should effect the sound too...
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    Originally posted by rskarvan
    Remember, your brain is the final component in the audio stack. Some people could definitely use an upgrade.
    ROFL!!!!


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    Grills off (naked) is the audio equal to chrome wheels instead of caps or standing around the open hood of the car with the engine runnin'. Its a guy thing.:)

    I agree that for some music, I find myself wanting to see the drivers. Usually during bass heavy passages.

    For HT, I cover for less distraction.

    For serious listening, lights go down low enough that grills don't matter. The less visual distractions, the better the soundstage depth, afterall it is SDA!
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    Nekkid here 24/7.

    I have always liked the look of the black 6.5" drivers. If they were blue or silver, I would personally find that distracting.
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    BobMcG,

    They all know not to touch, but you know how it is when "your not allowed"...

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    Dan

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    Exactly
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    What are you getting at?????? :D
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    Well crap! Seems that my fat little fingers need to be dipped in coffee a few more times this morning. Should have read.....

    Lot's more on this subject can be found here....

    followed by the links. Sorry about that.
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    My RTA-11's in my main system become to bright if I leave the grills off while listening. I do the same as many here have suggested, listen with eyes closed. Visual distractions can be a real problem.

    For my Athena AS-B1's on my 2nd system, grills are off. Partly because they look very hi-tech naked and since the actual grills aren't flush dust will get to them anyways.

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    Originally posted by Frank Z
    Lot's more on this subject can be found here....
    You mean a topic has actually been repeated??? That's it... I'm outta here...
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    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    You mean a topic has actually been repeated??? That's it... I'm outta here...
    Like we haven't heard that before!!!;)
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    Take it off Dude,it will looks better!!!
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