I was just throwing out some additonal information, another point of view, are you all democrats or what ? Seriously, I thought I read something somewhere else similar to what dragon said though I have to admit I cannot remember where... I do not believe the Jolida cdp's have a problem and would love to try one out some day. I value all of your opinins and views and know your experience is greater than mine. Rest easy folks, your jolida in most application will top my nad and I am slightly envious, maybe that is it, it's just irrational jealousy !!!