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    Default Unemployment rate down

    Thought some good news would be nice. Just read the unemployment rate is down to 4.9% which is pretty damn good. Job growth increased and wages rose, albeit small gains, but gains nonetheless.

    Of course youll have to ignore the rest of the article as CNN tries its best to convince you its all meaningless cause its just going to be ruined anyway by Katrina and we're all doomed and will be standing in line for government cheese anyday now so we might as well shoot ourselves because there is no point in.....nope, not gonna rant, this is supposed to be a good news thread. :D

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/02/news...y/jobs_august/
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    Awesome, soon enough, we may even hit the point which some people just can't be employed. Like the dot.com period without the bust.
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    you can't judge the economy by ONLY looking at the number of jobs created. Did you know that many of the jobs that have been lost over the past 3 years were high quality, high paying private sector jobs and have been replaced with inferior dopplegangers?- Many of which are in the service industry, temp jobs that have no lasting benefits, and high turnover ratios? "JOBS" may be on the rise, but it's not about quantity- it's quality.

    Poverty in the U.S. has increased 3 years in a row. I'm not politicizing- that's just simple numbers.

    2003
    http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/p...3/pov03hi.html

    2004
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug26.html

    2005
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0831/p02s01-usec.html
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    Yeah, sure you're not politicizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demiurge
    Yeah, sure you're not politicizing.
    whatever you say. Try reading the articles I posted before you ASSUME anything i'm doing. As far as Phaedrus is concerned, that's very sound advice Demurge.
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    Liberals never cease to amaze me. Every possible economic indicator is up and yet they still continue to see soup lines and destitution. What must it be like to be a liberal and wake up every day and be miserable? I put up some good news and the first thing a liberal does is look at it and see all those starving people out on the streets that Bush and Haliburton put there just to make their oil buddies rich.

    Besides, I dont attatch much importance to poverty. The poverty level is like $10,000 a year income. Unless youre disabled there is absolutely no excuse to make $10,000 a year. Hell security guard jobs pay $8/hr which is $16,000 a year and those are the most mindless jobs on the planet. We've got some of the dumbest people on earth working in our warehouse loading trucks making $10+/hr which is over $20,000 a year. Your income level is not attatched at birth, you can make more. Its like this whiney piece I saw on 60 minutes years ago about a cab driver that couldnt support his family on minimum wage, he was having to work 80 hours and was barely making it. The whole story was sad and you felt so sorry for him and wondered how Bush could allow this to happen then you realize something. WHY THE **** ARE YOU TRYING TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY ON $5/hr?!?! If you try this you should be drug out in the street and beat. You realize how hard is is to find a job that pays only $5/hr nowadays!

    And spare me this "all the real jobs were lost and replaced by a bunch of crappy jobs." I have never understood why the doom-and-gloomers consider working in a 120 degree foundry pouring molten metal for $15/hr a real job but yet working as a produce manager at the local grocery store for $15/hr is not. A job is a job. Besides, if that were true then nobody would have any income because of the crappy jobs yet personal income grows every year not to mention retail sales and new home starts.

    My God man, wake up and look out over this fruited plain with a smile and a feeling of optimism! Things are going very well.
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    I realize they relaxed the discussion rules post-Katrina, but let's cool it a bit.
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    MacLeod the problem with you is that you only see the world in two ways. Conservatvies and Liberals. If you would get off your soapbox and actually do some research on the very subject you talk about you would realize how absolutely uninformative your entire post actually was. I give sources with facts and Numbers to back them up- you provide a namecalling and labeling contest. I didn't attribute the increase to poverty to Bush AT ALL. I merely said that just because the number of jobs increase doesn't mean everything is HUNKY-DOREY. The only one that is politicizing anything is YOU!

    And Poverty is defined at $16,500 not $10,000 but you being such a brilliant guy i'm sure you already knew that. Keep listening to Zach's Savatage friend.
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    I doni't know that I've seen anyone bring up Bush/Haliburton more than Mac himself.......weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettw22
    I doni't know that I've seen anyone bring up Bush/Haliburton more than Mac himself.......weird.
    EXACTLY. Just earlier today I disagree with him on a freaking lead singer of a band and in a nutshell he says i'm wrong because i'm "LIBERAL"!

    I stand by my post because unlike yours MacLeod it's based on FACTS and actual RESEARCH! It's not fed by political insecurity and constant name-calling. Hell do you even know what the term "LIBERAL" means via the Websters Dictionary? Doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like to me you've blindly accepted the 35 year demonization of the word as fact that started during the days of Deep Throat and the Mass media - which tells me you're incapable of thinking for yourself. And for you not "attaching much importance to Poverty"- as an American that's pretty damn sad and pretty damn unamerican if you ask me. Millions of our children and latter generations to come will ALWAYS be at some risk of poverty no matter what- regardless of what social class they are in- because anything tragic can happen in life on any given day to lead someone inadvertently down that path. A spouse's death, Unemployment, A FREAKING HURRICANE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's time you tapped your ruby slippers MacLeod and woke up from this obnoxious fairytale you're in. Life and the Good vs Evil in it isn't about LIBERAL VS. CONSERVATIVE-

    "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich. Consequently, the modern poor are not pitied...but written off as trash. The twentieth-century consumer economy has produced the first culture for which a beggar is a reminder of nothing. ~John Berger
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    Good News! Soon You'll No Longer Need an Expensive College Education to Work
    in the US

    Watching the Economy Crumble

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

    The US continues its descent into the Third World, but you would never know
    it from news reports of the Bureau of Labor Statisticsı July payroll jobs
    release.

    The media gives a bare bones jobs report that is misleading. The public
    heard that 207,000 jobs were created in July. If not a reassuring figure, at
    least it is not a disturbing one. On the surface things look to be pretty
    much OK. It is when you look into the composition of these jobs that the
    concern arises.

    Of the new jobs, 26,000 (about 13%) are tax-supported government jobs. That
    leaves 181,000 private sector jobs. Of these private sector jobs, 177,000,
    or 98%, are in the domestic service sector.

    Here is the breakdown of the major categories:
    30,000 food servers and bar tenders;
    28,000 health care and social assistance:
    12,000 real estate;
    6,000 credit intermediation;
    8,000 transit and ground passenger transportation;
    50,000 retail trade; and
    8,000 wholesale trade.

    (There were 7,000 construction jobs, most of which were filled by Mexicans
    immigrants.)

    Not a single one of these jobs produces a tradable good or service that can
    be exported or serve as an import substitute to help reduce the massive and
    growing US trade deficit. The US economy is employing people to sell things,
    to move people around, and to serve them fast food and alcoholic beverages.
    The items may have an American brand name, but they are mainly made off
    shore. For example, 70% of Wal-Martıs goods are made in China.

    Where are the jobs for the 65,000 engineers the US graduates each year?
    Where are the jobs for the physics, chemistry, and math majors? Who needs a
    university degree to wait tables and serve drinks, to build houses, to work
    as hospital orderlies, bus drivers, and sales clerks?

    In the 21st century job growth in the US economy has consistently reflected
    that of a Third World country--low productivity domestic services jobs. This
    goes on month after month and no one catches on--least of all the economists
    and the policymakers.

    Economists assume that every high productivity, high paying job that is
    shipped out of the country is a net gain for America. We are getting things
    cheaper, they say. Perhaps, for a while, until the dollar goes. What the
    cheaper goods argument overlooks are the reductions in the productivity and
    pay of employed Americans and in the manufacturing, technical, and
    scientific capability of the US economy.

    What is the point of higher education when the job opportunities in the
    economy do not require it?

    These questions are too difficult for economists, politicians, and
    newscasters. Instead, we hear that ³last month the US economy created
    207,000 jobs.²

    Television has an inexhaustible supply of optimistic economists.

    Last weekend CNN had John Rutledge (erroneously billed as the person who
    drafted President Reaganıs economic program) explaining that the strength of
    the US economy was ³mom and pop businesses.² The college student with whom I
    was watching the program broke out laughing.

    What mom and pop businesses? Everything that used to be mom and pop
    businesses has been replaced with chains and discount retailers. Auto parts
    stores are chains, pharmacies are chains, restaurants are chains. Wal-Mart,
    Home Depot, and Lowes, have destroyed hardware stores, clothing stores,
    appliance stores, building supply stores, gardening shops, whatever--you
    name it.
    Just try starting a small business today. Most gasoline station/convenience
    stores seem to be the property of immigrant ethnic groups who acquired them
    with the aid of a taxpayer-financed US government loan.

    Today a mom and pop business is a cleaning service that employs Mexicans, a
    pool service, a lawn service, or a limo service.

    In recent years the US economy has been kept afloat by low interest rates.
    The low interest rates have fueled a real estate boom. As housing prices
    rise, people refinance their mortgages, take equity out of their homes and
    spend the money, thus keeping the consumer economy going.

    The massive American trade and budget deficits are covered by the
    willingness of Asian countries, principally Japan and China, to hold US
    government bonds and to continue to acquire ownership of Americaıs real
    assets in exchange for their penetration of US markets.

    This game will not go on forever. When it stops, what is left to drive the
    US economy?

    Paul Craig Roberts has held a number of academic appointments and has
    contributed to numerous scholarly publications. He served as Assistant
    Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. His graduate
    economics education was at the University of Virginia, the University of
    California at Berkeley, and Oxford University. He is coauthor of The Tyranny
    of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaharvel
    EXACTLY. Just earlier today I disagree with him on a freaking lead singer of a band and in a nutshell he says i'm wrong because i'm "LIBERAL"!

    It was a joke. Didja happen to notice the little :D face after it?

    You liberals have no sense of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod
    It was a joke. Didja happen to notice the little :D face after it?

    You liberals have no sense of humor.
    i have plenty senses of humor. Five last time I counted. You're missing the bigger picture here MacLeod. Thanks for not noticing. :D

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    This is what cracks me up, you accuse me of "name calling" and all I ever called you was a liberal. If youre going to be a liberal, you should be proud of it. Im a damn proud conservative.

    And here the source I used to get $10,000 for poverty.

    This is what I get tired of, I never called you any names other than being a liberal and then laid out why I dont count poverty that much and why I think the economy is doing good. And the reason for the smart ass first paragraph was I post something that is supposed to be good news and all you see is poverty rising but yet the next 3 posts slam me for being close minded and uninformed and in a fairytale and so on and so forth. It gets tired.
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    the whole thing gets tired macleod. From both fronts.
    I don't like to be called Liberal. I don't like to be called Democrat. I don't like to be called Republican. I don't like to be called Conservative. Especially when not one person on here has any clue to what my idealogy is minus talking about a few social issues that has nothing to with President Bush, Abe Lincoln or BillyBlowJob Clinton. I don't like being called any of those names- at least Not on a Stereo Forum. It's great to talk about issues- it's great that society gets involved with the system instead of just dumbing down to reality shows on MTV- but we can do it without using sarcastic political references. =)

    and the $16,500 was based on a family household with one child. As I said before- it's the children I'm most concerned with when it comes to poverty.

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    The ship is sinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireshoes
    The ship is sinking.
    this ship's been ****ing sinking for awhile now. Tell Captain Smith they're all dead and we should abandon thread.

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    Nothing wrong with being called liberal or conservative. Im not of the opinion that if you subscribe to a certain ideology that youre "brainwashed" or "incapable of thinking for yourself" or whatever. Some people have a core set of beliefs and principles they believe in and if they fall within the liberal or conservative category then so be it. There should be no shame in it.
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    My violin picture didn't upload. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireshoes
    My violin picture didn't upload. :(
    LMAO!! Too bad, it wouldve fit perfect! :p
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    DIE THREAD!!!
    DIE THREAD!!!
    DIE THREAD!!!
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    DIE THREAD!!!
    DIE THREAD!!!

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    Mac, the violin could just as easily apply to you if you brought yourself out from the clouds once in a while......(and that's not being negative....welcome to reality with the rest of us)
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    Youre right AA, this thread has outlived its usefullness. RIP
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    Just one more bit of info......
    The unemployment figures do NOT reflect those whose benefits have already exhausted - So in reality it is much higher than reported. I keep hearing about how well the economy is doing but around these parts it simply isn't true. I have several friends that are card carrying tradesmen (electricians, machine repairmen, millwrights) who are unable to find jobs. The truth is, they simply are NOT available anymore. It is very true that the well paying jobs have been/are being replaced with lower paying service sector jobs with little or no benefits. Just my first hand personal experience, sorry to say....
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    You should move down here to Chattanooga. This place is booming like crazy and currently the unemployment here is 3.4% last I heard. Youll always have places that arent doing well economically. Back in Texas I used to live in Temple which is a hole in the earth. Very little in the way of jobs even tho its a pretty big town. Yet 40 miles south in Austin there are great jobs growing on trees!

    It is true that some jobs that used to pay well are falling by the wayside. I know it sucks for those people but its a fact of life. Just think of all those people that made a living skinning buffalos. As things progress and evolve we have to along with it.

    You cant gurantee a certain profession will always be a high paying and be in high demand forever. I know it sucks for those getting caught in the middle but its the way it is.
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