There was a thread (I am guessing early spring) where a cable test was going to be set up for the 2005 Polkfest. A polkster (forgot who) swore he would be able to ID individual interconnects during the test. Did this test ever happen?
For the record, I (and my wife) have heard clear differences between interconnects in our listenting.....
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11-30-2005 01:11 PM #1
Q RE 2005 Polkfest--test happen?
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11-30-2005 01:14 PM #2
That polkster would be me - but with the new job and all I wasn't able to make it out to Polkfest.
I know there are others in the group also that can hear a difference, not sure if someone else stepped up to the plate and did the test or not...Main HT
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11-30-2005 01:18 PM #3
and here's the thread in question...
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/show...r+a+difference
I'd still like to be able to do this with a group - really hoping I'll make it to the next Polkfest - I've still never had a chance to visit Polk HQ, and that's on the short list of things to do before I die - I was pretty upset I didn't get to make it a couple months back, but the new job took precedance...Main HT
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11-30-2005 01:22 PM #4
and it's not like I'm some kind of freak or something with super hearing - I bet more people would be able to hear a difference than you think.
My friend, who I wouldn't even call and audio enthusiast, is able to hear the difference between cables on the extreme ends of the spectrum...Main HT
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Bedroom System
Polk Blackstone TL3, Polk PSWi225 Wireless Sub, HK 3490 Integrated, Oppo BDP-83, Sharp Aquos 32" TV, Apple TV
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11-30-2005 01:27 PM #5
My hearing is not stellar, at ALL. In fact my left ear is in real bad shape thanks to an M60 machinegun and a lost ear plug, but I can hear differences in cables readily. I think the last time I tested mine, I topped at about 13.5kHz without needing serious gain to hear above that.
We had a freq generator in our shop, and just for fun we'd test our hearing from time to time. Pretty cool piece of HP equipment. I really struggled to hear the 13kHz tone, to me it sounded like extremely high-pitched hissing steam.
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11-30-2005 01:36 PM #6
Bummer....I was hoping it took place and you would be able to silence all the nay-sayers! Maybe 2006?
System 1: Onix Rockets 750 Sig. Ed., Rotel RC 1070, Rotel RB 1080, Music Hall MMF CD25 w/627opamps
System 2: LSi15, Marantz SR8400, Rotel 1080, RM6800 (C&S), Yamaha: 2300 Univ. DVD, CDC-625RS.
System 3: LSi7, Yamaha SW215, HK 230, Elite DV-45A; Sony C445.
System 4: RTi100, Onkyo TXSV717Pro, Monarchy/Sonic Impact Hybrid, Yamaha CD.
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11-30-2005 01:51 PM #7
Based on the responses in that thread, I don't think all the nay-sayers would be silenced even when I am able to successfully 'pass' the test...
Main HT
Magnepan 1.6QR fronts, PSB Image B4 surrounds, Pioneer SC-25, Parasound Halo A23, Oppo BDP-83 SE, Airport Express w/ Peachtree DAC, Sony KDL-55HX850, Sony PS3, Apple TV
Bedroom System
Polk Blackstone TL3, Polk PSWi225 Wireless Sub, HK 3490 Integrated, Oppo BDP-83, Sharp Aquos 32" TV, Apple TV
Office Rig
27" iMac w/Amarra, Peachtree DAC-IT, Focal XS Book, Schiit Valhalla > Sennheiser HD600, Schiit Lyr > HiFiMan HE0500, LG 47LM7600, Sony PS3, XBOX 360, Apple TV
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11-30-2005 05:19 PM #8
Let the Nay sayers be Nay sayers, it's there loss.
Originally Posted by Polkmaniac
DanDan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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11-30-2005 06:27 PM #9
That's pretty much my attitude at this point Dan...
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Magnepan 1.6QR fronts, PSB Image B4 surrounds, Pioneer SC-25, Parasound Halo A23, Oppo BDP-83 SE, Airport Express w/ Peachtree DAC, Sony KDL-55HX850, Sony PS3, Apple TV
Bedroom System
Polk Blackstone TL3, Polk PSWi225 Wireless Sub, HK 3490 Integrated, Oppo BDP-83, Sharp Aquos 32" TV, Apple TV
Office Rig
27" iMac w/Amarra, Peachtree DAC-IT, Focal XS Book, Schiit Valhalla > Sennheiser HD600, Schiit Lyr > HiFiMan HE0500, LG 47LM7600, Sony PS3, XBOX 360, Apple TV
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12-01-2005 02:33 PM #10
So you guys are saying that IC's make a difference that only human ears can detect and no microphone can, right?! You're right, I am at a loss... Originally Posted by mantis
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12-01-2005 07:06 PM #11
How do you measure cables with a mic?? :)
There are definite measurable differences in cables, but there's questions about if the human ear can hear those differences or if its our brain playing tricks on us.
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12-01-2005 10:19 PM #12
Why would it silence the nay-sayers? 20 years of scientific ABX tests havent silenced the golden ears of the world.
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12-02-2005 07:06 AM #13
I find it very hard to believe that someone listening to their own system... that they listen to about everyday with all kinds of music and those few great songs you like to listen to - cant listen to one of those songs he's memorized by how it sounds and cant go and pick it apart when something new has been plugged up.
However, I have no problems believing you cant hear the differences when its not your stuff, not your room. Heck I could take my system and put it somewhere like the den and get a whole new feeling for it again.
Its not about - 30 second clip... switch to cable b... 30 second clip - did you hear a difference. Thats not an accurate test.www.Vr3Mods.com
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
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12-02-2005 08:16 AM #14
I'm not getting into this again, no way...
Main HT
Magnepan 1.6QR fronts, PSB Image B4 surrounds, Pioneer SC-25, Parasound Halo A23, Oppo BDP-83 SE, Airport Express w/ Peachtree DAC, Sony KDL-55HX850, Sony PS3, Apple TV
Bedroom System
Polk Blackstone TL3, Polk PSWi225 Wireless Sub, HK 3490 Integrated, Oppo BDP-83, Sharp Aquos 32" TV, Apple TV
Office Rig
27" iMac w/Amarra, Peachtree DAC-IT, Focal XS Book, Schiit Valhalla > Sennheiser HD600, Schiit Lyr > HiFiMan HE0500, LG 47LM7600, Sony PS3, XBOX 360, Apple TV
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12-02-2005 07:15 PM #15
I say that everytime too. I just cant help myself! :p Originally Posted by Polkmaniac
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08 Car Audio Nationals 1st ~ 07 N Georgia Nationals 1st ~ 06 Carl Casper Nationals 1st ~ USACi 05 Southeast AutumnFest 1st
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