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    Default Upgrade COMPLETE! And the speaker adventure continues...

    ... or stops.

    Anyway, as most of you know, I recently bought a pair of Martin Logan Vantages. They were sweet and ridiculously awesome! For $5000, they sure were the best these ears heard this side of town. However, just a week after I bought the Vantages.. I saw a local Summit for sale... thought about it for a minute and I said... nah. But then, I realized that I was itching to supplement the bass of the Vantages - they go about 34hz flat, but I wanted something along the lower 20s.

    I wanted a solid sub and didnt want to go SVS this time around. I figured I need something fast to keep up with the Logans and I need in room eq to calibrate the sub well. I found a Velodyne DD15 local sale for $2200 and a DD18 (yup, super sub!) for $2900 local. However, I had an epiphany... why couple a sub to the Vantages when I can get better coherence if I went to the Summits?? The Summits go down to 24hz and easily hit 20-22hz with room gain. It is dual 10inch aluminum sealed enclosures (no port turbulence) powered by dual ICE Digital amps into each enclosure.

    For the upgrade price of... similar to the Velos.

    I said.. alright, I'm going to see if audiogon can sell my Vantages and if they do sell, I'll go for the local Summits.

    Well.... what do you know. They sold.

    So I dropped off the Vantages yesterday, got the cash.... went over the Summit's guy today and dropped off the cash and extra cash (:( )... got the Summits and dropped them off at my dorm/apartment.

    I'll post pics of my babies! So far so good... I dont have the hooked up as I am home on spring break, but once I go back for school next week, I'll play with them.

    I'm moving to a single studio next year and I'm going to dedicate the living room purely to 2channel. Right now, I'm a little cramped.

    My future goals:
    - New amp... atleast RB1090 or higher.
    - Better source...
    - Nordost Red Dawn speaker wire...

    Dont really have much else to say other than I'm stoked, thrilled, and at the same time... a little bittersweet. When you get your dream speakers, you feel lost as you dont know what else to save for.

    It's a vicious cycle.... sometimes I wish I stuck with my LSi9s. :(

    ... or not. :p

    Just wanted to update you guys.
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    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    Atta' boy!

    But so help me, if you get a Rotel for those Summits..... well, you already know what'll happen...

    Waitin for those pics man.

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    congrats on the awesome speakers. If I would have had any idea how much not getting the LSi15's was going to cost you I would have let you have them. Honest.....

    Anyway - looks like it worked out well for both of us. (at our respective price points.....)

    For your next upgrade, you could start wondering what you would get for a center and surrounds for your summits - make a home theater out of them.. :)

    If you want to listen to what a Cinepro can do for those summits, just let me know and I can bring it up with me next time I head that way....

    Anyway - congrats on your dream speakers -

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
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    Come on Sean.... 1090? Dont hurt me!

    Hehhe...

    Anyway, McLoki - this is pretty much all your fault. If I had gotten those LSi15s of yours, I probably wouldve called it quits... oh man. Regarding your HT suggestion... nah, too expensive... besides, I dont have the need for a full HT onslaught while I go to school. I'll wait until I get my own place... then I'm seriously looking at some Klipsch THX speakers with atleast a pair of the Velodyne DD18s.

    For my 2 channel... in the future, I would like to supplement the Summits with something along the lines of a single Velodyne DD1812 super sub. But, that has to wait.

    Ah... the spoils of the audio adventurer. ;)

    Thanks for the well-wishes guys!

    ... including your threats, Sean. :D
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    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    It's all love on this end.

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    Congrats! And welcome to 'Upgraditus Anonymous'.:D
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    Yes, I can relate to your predicament. I think it was upgrading to the LSi9’s that started me on this grand two-channel adventure. I am hoping it might finally end when I acquire a pair of Dynaudio Confidence C1 speakers to replace the current mains.

    The main reason I am posting is to encourage you to look beyond Rotel for an amp (and preamp). If I was in your situation, I would look to upgrade the amp with a higher quality piece in the 150 – 200 watt range. I have gone through three 120 watt amps from Pioneer, Rotel and finally Simaudio. All I can say is that the only thing in common between the three is that they are mentioned to have 120 watts per channel. The differences in sound quality are dramatic. Take this into consideration when planning the system for the long term.

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    Lol mine was the RM6800 purchase until I read this forum and now I've got LSI-25's.

    Hey Joey, you gotta be crazy like my friend who's planning a whole HT setup based on Summits. I just about fell over seeing a room sketch with 7 Summits.

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    Wow joey, and to think we spent so much time trying to choose a trim.

    Chris =P
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    Cool beans Joey! I second the idea that there are better amps out there than the Rotel - you owe it to yourself (and your new speaks) to demo, demo, demo, amps man.

    We definitely need to organize a Chicagoland Polkfest of some kind - a lot of cool gear around here!
    Better to have and not need than to need and not have!

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    upgrade complete?

    Who are you kidding? :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo
    We definitely need to organize a Chicagoland Polkfest of some kind - a lot of cool gear around here!
    Let me know when and where - I will try and make it.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
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    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero
    It's all love on this end.
    Hug?

    Quote Originally Posted by wingnut4772
    Congrats! And welcome to 'Upgraditus Anonymous'.:D
    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by jmierzur
    Yes, I can relate to your predicament. I think it was upgrading to the LSi9’s that started me on this grand two-channel adventure. I am hoping it might finally end when I acquire a pair of Dynaudio Confidence C1 speakers to replace the current mains.

    The main reason I am posting is to encourage you to look beyond Rotel for an amp (and preamp). If I was in your situation, I would look to upgrade the amp with a higher quality piece in the 150 – 200 watt range. I have gone through three 120 watt amps from Pioneer, Rotel and finally Simaudio. All I can say is that the only thing in common between the three is that they are mentioned to have 120 watts per channel. The differences in sound quality are dramatic. Take this into consideration when planning the system for the long term.
    For your sake, I hope you stop at the Dyns... wonderful speaker those Confidence are! Oh, and I'll take your tip into account, but for now, it's time to just relax and enjoy the music!


    Quote Originally Posted by Musophile
    Lol mine was the RM6800 purchase until I read this forum and now I've got LSI-25's.

    Hey Joey, you gotta be crazy like my friend who's planning a whole HT setup based on Summits. I just about fell over seeing a room sketch with 7 Summits.
    7?! That's INSANE! I wouldnt even dream of putting up an HT setup based on Summits much less have Summits for all 7 channels! What is that.... like almost $40,000?? Not even when I get a real MD job would I do that. :o

    Quote Originally Posted by Schris22
    Wow joey, and to think we spent so much time trying to choose a trim.

    Chris =P
    I know I know... but you GOTTA see pics of this guy! It's got the silver aluminum trim... it's gorgeous!

    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5
    upgrade complete?

    Who are you kidding? :D
    I hope so!

    Quote Originally Posted by Halo
    Cool beans Joey! I second the idea that there are better amps out there than the Rotel - you owe it to yourself (and your new speaks) to demo, demo, demo, amps man.

    We definitely need to organize a Chicagoland Polkfest of some kind - a lot of cool gear around here!
    Point taken Halo... and YES... we SHOULD have a Chicago Polkfest.... I'm in!!

    Quote Originally Posted by McLoki
    Let me know when and where - I will try and make it.

    Michael
    Seconded!
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    Old Gear:
    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey_V
    For your sake, I hope you stop at the Dyns... wonderful speaker those Confidence are! Oh, and I'll take your tip into account, but for now, it's time to just relax and enjoy the music!
    I am now in the final stages of pulling the trigger on some Dynaudio Confidence C1 speakers for the system. Yes, I will stop with these speakers as I am not sure what monitors I could upgrade to?

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    The worst thing about getting the dream speaker is that feeling of emptiness.... what's next?
    Joey's College Gear:
    Current Gear:
    SB3 -> PS Audio DAC III -> Cary Audio SLP-98Phono Tube PreAmp w/ Sylvania NOS 6sn7 tubes -> Plinius SA102 Class A amp -> Martin Logan SUMMIT/Strata Mini -> :D
    Old Gear:
    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    Congrats Joey. When you find out how to put a stop to the upgrade thing, let me know. Enjoy!
    Michael ;)
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    Joey,

    You're just a babe in the woods. You're not even close to being done. Its funny how quickly perceptions change once the big checks with your name on em' start headin your way.

    btw: You're sleeping on the couch this evening. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero
    Joey,

    You're just a babe in the woods. You're not even close to being done. Its funny how quickly perceptions change once the big checks with your name on em' start headin your way.
    I'm telling you Sean... that will be an INSANE event! I'm thinking Velodyne 1812DD, the *next* Summits (though I hear ML is making a 20-30K speaker), Levinson/Krell/Plinius/Halcro or whatever is out there that sounds superb (for amp/pre), my own listening room/area.... oohh... the spoils of war, Sean!
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    SB3 -> PS Audio DAC III -> Cary Audio SLP-98Phono Tube PreAmp w/ Sylvania NOS 6sn7 tubes -> Plinius SA102 Class A amp -> Martin Logan SUMMIT/Strata Mini -> :D
    Old Gear:
    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    Oh... I forgot to mention this:

    I'm auditioning Wilsons next week with Halcros (I think I told Sean over the phone though)... so be on the lookout for a possible Summit sale...

    J/K (about the Summits, not about auditioning the Wilsons)!

    You'd have to pry these off my cold, dead hands!! ;)
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    Old Gear:
    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey_V
    You'd have to pry these off my cold, dead hands!! ;)
    Sounds like something you would have said a few weeks ago about the vantages..... Being satisfied is a very fleeting feeling. But - congrats none the less. Getting your dream speakers before you are out of school is quite an accomplishment.
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLoki
    Sounds like something you would have said a few weeks ago about the vantages..... Being satisfied is a very fleeting feeling. But - congrats none the less. Getting your dream speakers before you are out of school is quite an accomplishment.
    Oh trust me Mike... there is no sale this time around.

    Unless the Wilsons COMPLETELY blow my mind - then we have problems and I'm going to admit myself to a clinic for real. :(
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    SB3 -> PS Audio DAC III -> Cary Audio SLP-98Phono Tube PreAmp w/ Sylvania NOS 6sn7 tubes -> Plinius SA102 Class A amp -> Martin Logan SUMMIT/Strata Mini -> :D
    Old Gear:
    Martin Logan Vantage (4.75/5)-ML Mosaic (4.25/5)-Onix Ref1 (3.7/5)-Sonus Faber Concerto (3.5/5)-SF Concertino (3/5)-Axiom M22ti (2.75/5)-Polk LSi9 (3.75/5)-LSi7 (3.25/5)-HK AVR330-Rotel RC1070/RB1070/RB1090-SVS 25-31PC+ sub
    RUSH Med School 2008!!:D

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    The worst thing about getting the dream speaker is that feeling of emptiness.... what's next?
    Joey..I feel you. You really have to start attending the meetings..:)
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    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.

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