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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut
    And we all know how your mind works. :)
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    Raife has already been down this road. In his updating the SRS thread.

    "Prior to modifying my SDA 1B speakers in 1990, I called Polk and asked about the benefits of particular parts upgrades. The engineer I spoke with, Chris, said that there would be no benefit, audible or otherwise, from changing the internal wiring because the distances were so short and the stock wiring was of the appropriate gauge.

    I replaced all the wiring anyway just to hear for myself. I used 12 gauge monster cable and soldered the wires directly to the drivers. Just as Chris predicted, there was no audible improvement. I switched back to the stock cables with the clips".
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    I didn't hear any improvement or difference in my experiment, but someone else with different wire, different speakers, different equipment, and different ears might.

    Some people claim they can hear a difference and/or improvement between different types of binding posts. I've never heard such a difference and/or improvement. But someone else.......

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    Makes no sense that it wouldn't make a audiable difference, But i tell ya.. some people on here i just take thier word that they know what they are talking about,

    I guess it kinda gets down to, specifics... what about the wire in your amp, the wire in the cd player, and so on... better off left alone and not to worry about it i guess. havent worried about it up to this point.

    I still can't see spending multi hundreds on IC's :D But i wont be rewireing my speakers or amps either in the near future :)
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    2 Channel Rig:

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    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
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    kenwood grunt Tuner
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    Quote Originally Posted by faster100
    Makes no sense that it wouldn't make a audiable difference, But i tell ya.. some people on here i just take thier word that they know what they are talking about,

    I guess it kinda gets down to, specifics... what about the wire in your amp, the wire in the cd player, and so on... better off left alone and not to worry about it i guess. havent worried about it up to this point.

    I still can't see spending multi hundreds on IC's :D But i wont be rewireing my speakers or amps either in the near future :)

    Just keep stirring the pot!

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    I don't understand how on earth 1-8ft of special wire for speakers will make a difference in a system thats laced with normal run-of-the mill wiring, especially when the signal makes a half-mile journey through wiring in your standard system. To me, it would only make perfect sense if those benefits enjoyed by those few feet of wire in a vulnerable area of the signal path - would also be enjoyed in different parts of the system, even with less significant benefits.

    I don't understand how a special 1-8ft power cord will be able to improve anything when its tapping incredibly dirty power through crummy house-hold wiring on an average circuit. Forget the fact that most standard equipment trace the signal from the IEC to the transformer via: Circuit board, instead of wired directly to the transformer. Wouldn't the weak point be at the contact point? Doesn't this also apply to speaker wire?

    And roun' and roun' we go.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumingman
    Just keep stirring the pot!
    what are you talking about? you started the topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skynut
    Look a squirrel.

    I think it was OZZIE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero
    I don't understand how a special 1-8ft power cord will be able to improve anything when its tapping incredibly dirty power through crummy house-hold wiring on an average circuit. Forget the fact that most standard equipment trace the signal from the IEC to the transformer via: Circuit board, instead of wired directly to the transformer. Wouldn't the weak point be at the contact point? Doesn't this also apply to speaker wire?

    And roun' and roun' we go.,
    BINGO! We have a winner!

    I replaced the power cord on my Jolida CD player, could not hear a difference, even on some VERY revealing speakers and amps.

    Maybe I just don't have a pair of "golden ears" like some "audiophiles", but at least I can admit it. :p

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    So it is not worth it to replace my internal speaker wire on some RTi10's with 12 gauge right?
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    The only way for you to know is to try it.
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    I think what it comes down to at this level of audio tweaking is a sum of several parts making an audible difference. If you are going to use a mediocre receiver, mediocre source, etc. a tweak like changing the guage of the internal wire isn't going be worth the effort. Now if you are using a great amp, great source, proper IC's and speaker wire and have set your system up properly (placement) for the best possible performance then *perhaps* tweaking the speaker internals might make a difference.

    Only way to know is to try it.

    It's really like tweaking a combustion engine. Adding a bigger throttle body won't nec make a difference. But, add a larger exhaust, higher performance camshaft, larger intake, etc. and then the sum of all those parts is realized.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    I kind of disagree to a point.. I don't think you always need high end gear to notice improvments. Now of course if you have a cheap rack system maybe but average to good gear can notice a change.. Some people like me just can't always notice the change, like IC's, speaker wire and power cords.

    I certainly don't have golden ears, But you do need to just try to see what ya hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut
    And we all know how your mind works. :)
    or doesn't work...as the case may be.

    My opinion is this: Would upgrading the internal wire be a good thing? Sure. Every manufacturer has to make a decision about things like that. However, there are also some practical concerns such as space as well.

    However, what makes no sense is the attitude that if you aren't going to upgrade EVERY inch of wire than it makes no sense to upgrade ANY of the wire. If you apply the same logic, why move past a clock radio if you can't move right into the Wilson Grand Slamm system?

    I also subscribe to Jesse's point of bringing the signal to the crossover is more signifigant.

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    without the jackass comments, I actually have since decided and agree.. going overboard with "well what about this wire" is well, Overboard.. Because then you have to evaluate every piece of wire in the system.

    Its like asking how the Universe was created? who cares were here now.. :D
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    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
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