Free Shipping on All Orders 1-866-764-1801

Vist our Online Store
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 46
  1. #1

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default Ye Elders of Power Conditioning

    Talk to me about the differences, merits, benefits, flavor, charms, motifs, etc
    of the PS Audio Ultimate Outlet (high current) vs the PS Audio UPC-200....

    differences in aesthetics aside, what is the difference in function?

    Thanks
    Last edited by zombie boy 2000; 10-04-2006 at 09:26 AM.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore

  2. #2

    Member Sales Rating: (7)

    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,211

    Default

    Exactly the same design except the UPC-200 has two modules inside the box and four sockets. The earlier designed Ultimate Outlet only had one module and two sockets.
    1. JM Labs Electra 920.1 and CC30; MB Quart Vera Sub; Pioneer SC-57; Squeezebox Touch; Panasonic BDT-500 Blu-Ray; Samsung 52" LCD; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S3 cables
    2. Polk SDA-SRS 2.3TL; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 SE; Classe Model 25; Marantz SA8004; Acoustech PH1P; Squeezebox Touch; Music Hall MMF7; PS Audio P1000; MIT S2 cables
    3. Polk SDA 2A; Parasound Halo JC-2 and A21; Musical Fidelity X-DAC; Squeezebox Touch; PS Audio 4.7; MIT S1 cables

  3. #3

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    So basically... the UPC-200 is two Ultimate Outlets in a single chassis?

  4. #4

    Member Sales Rating: (7)

    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,211

    Default

    Yes. The UPC-200 has a switch on the bottom that can be used to combine the two modules into one high current module for use with very high current amplifiers.
    1. JM Labs Electra 920.1 and CC30; MB Quart Vera Sub; Pioneer SC-57; Squeezebox Touch; Panasonic BDT-500 Blu-Ray; Samsung 52" LCD; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S3 cables
    2. Polk SDA-SRS 2.3TL; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 SE; Classe Model 25; Marantz SA8004; Acoustech PH1P; Squeezebox Touch; Music Hall MMF7; PS Audio P1000; MIT S2 cables
    3. Polk SDA 2A; Parasound Halo JC-2 and A21; Musical Fidelity X-DAC; Squeezebox Touch; PS Audio 4.7; MIT S1 cables

  5. #5

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    So if I read that correctly... then the UPC-200 is two Ultimate Outlets (standard) i.e. not High Current -- in one chassis? But both can be combined to create a single High Current module?

  6. #6

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    847

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Emlyn
    Exactly the same design except the UPC-200 has two modules inside the box and four sockets. The earlier designed Ultimate Outlet only had one module and two sockets.
    This is how it was explained to me as well yesterday by the seller of my soon to be Anthem pre. This guy is an audio freak and he suggested this piece as well since it was a great deal. I believe he told me it has two high current and two source outlets. He said his buddy has a $2500 conditioner (can't recall the name. Equi-something, I believe) and that his friend felt the PS Audio piece was just as good.

    What I want to know is, does this piece protect your equipment from things like lighting, etc ala Panamax or is it more of just a conditioner. Or, does one buy this and connect it to a better surge protective piece. I like the idea that Panamax guarantees their protection. I need to make my move today on these pieces of gear and I have been frozen trying to figure this stuff out.

  7. #7

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    It's my understanding that there are two Ultimate Outlets -- one being high current (for amps), the other being standard (for CDPs, TVs, etc.). Are the two modules in the UPC-200 chassis standard or high current? I understand that when combined, they are high current... but are they already classified as such individually only to become doubly so when combined?

  8. #8

    Member Sales Rating: (11)

    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    1,899

    Default

    My understanding with the UPC-200 (I'm thinking of getting one too) is that both outlets are full/high current even with the dual zone switch on. But if you've got a SERIOUS man amp that eats up electricity then you would run the UPC-200 in high current mode and only have your amp plugged into it.

    Am I right here?
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15

  9. #9

    Member Sales Rating: (7)

    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,211

    Default

    Yes.
    1. JM Labs Electra 920.1 and CC30; MB Quart Vera Sub; Pioneer SC-57; Squeezebox Touch; Panasonic BDT-500 Blu-Ray; Samsung 52" LCD; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S3 cables
    2. Polk SDA-SRS 2.3TL; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 SE; Classe Model 25; Marantz SA8004; Acoustech PH1P; Squeezebox Touch; Music Hall MMF7; PS Audio P1000; MIT S2 cables
    3. Polk SDA 2A; Parasound Halo JC-2 and A21; Musical Fidelity X-DAC; Squeezebox Touch; PS Audio 4.7; MIT S1 cables

  10. #10

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    .... and that's the million dollar question.

    Thanks Troy

    and thanks Emelyn:)

  11. #11

    Member Sales Rating: (11)

    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    1,899

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by univera
    What I want to know is, does this piece protect your equipment from things like lighting, etc ala Panamax or is it more of just a conditioner. Or, does one buy this and connect it to a better surge protective piece. I like the idea that Panamax guarantees their protection. I need to make my move today on these pieces of gear and I have been frozen trying to figure this stuff out.
    Nothing will protect your equipment from a lightening strike - that is homeowners insurance territory. ALWAYS unplug your gear during storms no matter what is "protecting" it - better safe than sorry.
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15

  12. #12

    Member Sales Rating: (11)

    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    1,899

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zombie boy 2000
    .... and that's the million dollar question.

    Thanks Troy
    No problem, I just hoped I wasn't talking out of my ass. :D

    It should be noted that the "high current" is only as good as your circuit. if your breaker is 15 amps the UPC-200 is only good for 15 amps of current, in other words it's limited by the amount of current your breaker will allow (including all the other electrical devices plugged into that circuit). I hope that makes sense. I'll just shut my ass up now... ;)
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15

  13. #13

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Keep rolling cochese....

    this is good stuff:)

  14. #14

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    847

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tryrrthg
    Nothing will protect your equipment from a lightening strike - that is homeowners insurance territory. ALWAYS unplug your gear during storms no matter what is "protecting" it - better safe than sorry.
    Yes, but Panamax will insure it themselves. I'm just trying to figure out if this piece offers heavy surge protection or is just a conditioner.

  15. #15

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Something tells me Skynut's spidey-sense is tingling... and that he'll be chiming in soon.

  16. #16

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Patterson Cali.
    Posts
    3,251

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by univera
    Yes, but Panamax will insure it themselves. I'm just trying to figure out if this piece offers heavy surge protection or is just a conditioner.

    Panamax insurance is only good if EVERYTHING you have is plugged into it.
    Cable, sat, dvd, sub, amps, rcvr, tv, and any other component you have must be plugged in through the panamax unit for the insurance to cover anything.

    When I talked to them they told me I would have to add another Panamax because I do not have enough outlets on the single unit for all my stuph.

    I decided they would try to void the warrenty no matter how well I was isolated. (my opnion)

    In my case I now use the Panamax for my Dvd, sat, tv, rcvr, and XM while I use the UPC-200 for all my high power consumption i.e. amps.
    Skynut
    SOPA® Founder
    The system Almost there
    DVD Onkyo DV-SP802
    Sunfire Theater Grand II
    Sherbourn 7/2100
    Panamax 5510 power conditioner (for electronics)
    2 PSAudio UPC-200 power conditioners (for amps)
    Front L/R RT3000p (Bi-Wired)
    Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
    Center RT2000p's (Bi-Wired) (on each side of the television)
    Sur FX1000
    SVS ultra plus 2

    www.ShadetreesMachineShop.com
    Thanks for looking

  17. #17

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Patterson Cali.
    Posts
    3,251

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zombie boy 2000
    Something tells me Skynut's spidey-sense is tingling... and that he'll be chiming in soon.

    Okay thats funny. :D
    Skynut
    SOPA® Founder
    The system Almost there
    DVD Onkyo DV-SP802
    Sunfire Theater Grand II
    Sherbourn 7/2100
    Panamax 5510 power conditioner (for electronics)
    2 PSAudio UPC-200 power conditioners (for amps)
    Front L/R RT3000p (Bi-Wired)
    Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
    Center RT2000p's (Bi-Wired) (on each side of the television)
    Sur FX1000
    SVS ultra plus 2

    www.ShadetreesMachineShop.com
    Thanks for looking

  18. #18

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    After all Prof.... this is your area of expertise.

    Sky...
    are you running only one amp into each UPC-200 and nothing else?

  19. #19

    Member Sales Rating: (13)

    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    The Mars Hotel
    Posts
    30,415

    Default

    Everything you need to know about UPC-200's is on PS Audio's site.

    http://www.psaudio.com/products/upc200_overview.asp

    And yes, they cover your gear if damaged using the UPC-200.
    'Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

  20. #20

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Thanks F1:)

  21. #21

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Patterson Cali.
    Posts
    3,251

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zombie boy 2000
    After all Prof.... this is your area of expertise.

    Sky...
    are you running only one amp into each UPC-200 and nothing else?
    I have two upc-200's plugged into two different outlets.
    My Sherbourn has two power cords and one plugs into each ucp-200.
    Then my front speakers all have amps in them so they all get plugged into the upc-200's as well as my SVS sub.
    All 8 of my upc-200 outlets are being used for amps.
    Skynut
    SOPA® Founder
    The system Almost there
    DVD Onkyo DV-SP802
    Sunfire Theater Grand II
    Sherbourn 7/2100
    Panamax 5510 power conditioner (for electronics)
    2 PSAudio UPC-200 power conditioners (for amps)
    Front L/R RT3000p (Bi-Wired)
    Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
    Center RT2000p's (Bi-Wired) (on each side of the television)
    Sur FX1000
    SVS ultra plus 2

    www.ShadetreesMachineShop.com
    Thanks for looking

  22. #22

    Member Sales Rating: (0)

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    614

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by univera
    This is how it was explained to me as well yesterday by the seller of my soon to be Anthem pre. This guy is an audio freak and he suggested this piece as well since it was a great deal. I believe he told me it has two high current and two source outlets. He said his buddy has a $2500 conditioner (can't recall the name. Equi-something, I believe) and that his friend felt the PS Audio piece was just as good.

    What I want to know is, does this piece protect your equipment from things like lighting, etc ala Panamax or is it more of just a conditioner. Or, does one buy this and connect it to a better surge protective piece. I like the idea that Panamax guarantees their protection. I need to make my move today on these pieces of gear and I have been frozen trying to figure this stuff out.
    The product the person tried was Equitech.

    For what its worth, I have tried the Ultimate Outlet, P300 and balanced power. I choose balanced power for the entire system. I found it to have the most benefits BUT the price of admission is much higher.

  23. #23

    Member Sales Rating: (11)

    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Posts
    1,899

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by univera
    Yes, but Panamax will insure it themselves.
    reminds me of a good scene from Tommy Boy

    Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.

    Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening.

    Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.

    Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.

    Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?

    Ted Nelson, Customer: What's your point?

    Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

    Ted Nelson, Customer: But why do they put a guarantee on the box?

    Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.

    Ted Nelson, Customer: [pause] Okay, I'll buy from you.

    Tommy: Well, that's... What?

    Not to say that Panamax is a guaranteed piece of ****, just saying that warranties like that are often VERY limited...
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15

  24. #24

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Pretty freakin' funny:D

  25. #25

    Member Sales Rating: (19)

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    8,170

    Default

    My UPC-200 just arrived on my doorstep!!

    Let me test it out and I'll get back to you.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."

  26. #26

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Early B.
    My UPC-200 just arrived on my doorstep!!

    Let me test it out and I'll get back to you.
    I love these moments of serendipity...

    Congrats Early.... don't delay:)

  27. #27

    Member Sales Rating: (19)

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    8,170

    Default

    OK, I hooked the UPC-200 up to my CDP and int. tube amp and popped in one of my reference CDs to get an initial impression. My first reaction was very positive. There was an immediate difference in sound. I heard some stunning detail I had never heard before. Phenomenal! The sound is also cleaner than it was before.

    OK, here's the other side of the equation. The verdict is still out on the bass. At first listen, it appears as though the bass has diminished slightly. Also, music sounds a bit blander than before. The best way to describe it is like when new tubes are introduced in your system and they sometimes sound bland, at first, with weak bass. The manual says allow for 24 hours of break-in. I'm guessing once the unit runs for a while, the bass and fullness will return.

    I also ordered a PS Audio power cord to replace the stick 14 ga. cord on the unit. I'm also using PS Audio power cords on my equipment.

    The UPC-200 replaces a $40 Tripp Lite Isobar.

    I'll report back in a week or so.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."

  28. #28

    Member Sales Rating: (4)

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    crack'n corn an' I don't care
    Posts
    6,622

    Default

    Thanks Early... give her some more playtime and the bass will probably settle in.

    Look forward to hearing more...

  29. #29

    Member Sales Rating: (1)

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    847

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tryrrthg
    reminds me of a good scene from Tommy Boy

    Not to say that Panamax is a guaranteed piece of ****, just saying that warranties like that are often VERY limited...
    Agreed. I'm not trying to have wood for Panamax, I have been looking for feedback for quite some time and hadn't really gotten what I was looking for. Essentially, is Panamax like Monster in that it is in the big box stores therefore is well known but not necessarily the ****e. The idea of non-current limiting makes sense to me, and I have yet to determine if Panamax falls into that category. In my scenario, I will be running two or three heavy duty amps, and I want them to be fully available.

  30. #30

    Member Sales Rating: (19)

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    8,170

    Default

    Oh, I forgot to mention -- I tried my UPC-200 in dual zone and in high current mode and couldn't tell the difference. I'll try again in a few days. According to the manual, I should use the dual zone feature.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Power cord
    By polkatese in forum Electronics
    Replies: 79
    Last Post: 02-12-2007, 09:52 PM
  2. Power Problems AMR90
    By bschutz in forum Troubleshooting
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 08-03-2006, 10:30 AM
  3. Is Power Conditioning Neccessary?
    By O'Shag in forum Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 10-20-2004, 11:00 PM
  4. quick power question
    By mipnucsb in forum Car Audio & Electronics
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 04-26-2004, 12:30 AM
  5. Rockford Fosgate Power 501bd
    By souljurn in forum Car Audio & Electronics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-24-2003, 06:16 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts