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    Default LG Universal player at CC

    Ok, so it's not something that I'd want. The thing only gives you movies from one extra studio (universal) over blu-ray. But I know people are interested in this. So here's the link to what I ran across at CC:

    http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...%20at%20CC-_-2

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    Additionally, theres a large review on AVS. It looks like LG handicapped the HD DVD playback in order to get it to market in time. Something about the interactivity with the menus is screwed up. The movies still play though.

    Oh yeah, it doesn't play CD's either...
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    yep, can't use the interactive menus. no hdmi 1.3. half-assed product. i'll pass. other manufacturers will follow suit with better functionality and lower prices. just wait a bit.
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    The interactive menus thing is just no HDi menu customization. With both hd-dvd and blu-ray, you can customize your menus and navigation so that you aren't limited by just the standard dvd type menu options. So for instance, you can set-up your own chapter playlist instead of just watching the movie straight through.

    The standard disk menus should work, though for hd-dvd. But not having cd or hdmi 1.3 compatibility is inexcusable in a late release player. What's up with these korean manufacturers and their clunky first releases?

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    No CD? Doesn't sound like much of a super-player to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheddar
    But not having cd or hdmi 1.3 compatibility is inexcusable in a late release player.
    So buy a CD player if you want CD ...

    It'll be quite awhile before there is any real benefit to HDMI 1.3 ...

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    It looks like LG handicapped the HD DVD playback in order to get it to market in time.
    They did not get permission from the DVD forum for HD-DVD that is why, if you look closely at those pics you will not see the HD-DVD logo on the player. It lacks iHD so it's a waste at any price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie

    It'll be quite awhile before there is any real benefit to HDMI 1.3 ...

    True and not true, you cannot plug HDMI 1.2 devices into HDMI 1.3 ports that are coming standard now on all new TV's...just an fyi

    So having HDMI 1.3 actually is beneficial, it's needed for it to work at all :)

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    Nonsense ... One of the HDMI standards is that each new version is fully backward compatible to previous versions ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    Nonsense ... One of the HDMI standards is that each new version is fully backward compatible to previous versions ...
    sure that's not USB you're referring to? just asking.

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    USB ??? ... LOL ... Maybe I missed something but I haven't seen much use for USB in A/V products ... Computers are of course a different story ...

    Without backward compatiblity the industry would be causing themselves ( and consumers ) a huge problem ... Think about it ...

    http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp

    http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMI_Insert_FINAL_8-30-06.pdf

    Outtakes ...

    Evolving standard – HDMI is continually evolving to meet the needs of the market. : Products implementing new versions of the HDMI specification will continue to be fully backward compatible with earlier HDMI products

    Q: Is HDMI 1.3 backward compatible with prior releases of the HDMI spec and with DVI?

    Yes, HDMI is fully backward compatible with all prior releases of the HDMI spec, as well as DVI compliant devices.

    Q. Are HDMI 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 compatible with the next generation videogame consoles implementing 1080p and HDMI’s new deep color capability?

    HDMI has been able to support 1080p content since version 1.0, and each new revision of the HDMI specification is fully backward compatible with previous revisions.

    The HDMI Founders issued a press release during CES 2006 announcing that a future HDMI specification would expand the performance capabilities to support deeper color (up to 48-bit color RGB color) and higher resolution audio formats (such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD). PCs and videogame consoles in particular are expected to be capable of delivering content that takes advantage of HDMI's latest capabilities. When such sources are interfaced to older HDMI HDTVs, the source should automatically select the highest quality video and audio performance supported by the HDTV.


    Q: What’s new in the HDMI 1.3 Specification?

    Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color™ and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.

    Deep Color™: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.

    Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “xvYCC” color standard, which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

    New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.

    Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.

    New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

    Q: Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or BluRay players?

    No. HDMI has the flexibility to transport these new high definition, lossless audio formats in either an uncompressed PCM stream, or as an encoded stream. PCM stands for Pulse-code modulation and it is a standard way to encode digital audio in computers, consumer electronics, CDs, DVDs, etc. Both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD, as well as DTS Master HD bitstreams are transportable over all versions of HDMI as decoded PCM. HDMI supports the highest quality uncompressed PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample.

    To use PCM outputs, consumers should make sure that their HD- DVD/BluRay players support the decoding of the HD audio formats into multi-channel PCM, and that their AV receiver or preamp processor supports multi-channel PCM over the HDMI inputs. Consult your user manual/product spec. sheet to determine whether your device supports such PCM capabilities (we believe that nearly all HD-DVD and BluRay players will, but users should confirm this). Devices that support HDMI v1.3 and higher may also offer the option to transport the high definition audio formats as a compressed, encoded stream that will be decoded by the AV receiver (whereas the above transport method has the playback device performing the decoding).


    Q: What products or applications will take advantage of new HDMI 1.3 capabilities?

    According to announcements by manufacturers, new high-definition DVD formats (HD-DVD and Blu-ray) and game machines (including the Sony PLAYSTATION® 3) will make use of capabilities added in HDMI 1.3. Digital televisions will be able to present images that are closer to real life than previously has been possible. These will include LCD TVs, plasma displays and rear projection microdisplays. The PS3 which is scheduled to ship in November 2006, will be the first source product to provide such high quality imagery to these displays. It is expected that hi-def DVD players will follow early in 2007 with HDMI 1.3 support. A/V Receivers that can decode DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD will start to show up early in 2007 as well. Please check with the manufacturers for details.

    Q: What is meant by the term “Deep Color™” and why is it important?

    Deep Color™ lets HDTVs and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors allowing consumers to enjoy unprecedented vividness and accuracy of color on their displays. Deep Color™ eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. It enables increased contrast ratio, and can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white.

    Q: What is “xvYCC”?

    HDMI 1.3 adopts use of the IEC 61966-2-4 color standard, commonly called xvYCC (shorthand for Extended YCC Colorimetry for Video Applications). This new standard can support 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. xvYCC lets HDTVs display colors more accurately, enabling displays with more natural, vivid colors .

    Q: What is the difference between “Deep Color™” and “xvYCC?”

    Deep Color™ increases the number of available colors within the boundaries defined by the RGB or YCbCr color space, while xvYCC expands the available range (limits) to allow the display of colors that meet and exceed what human eyes can recognize.

    Q: When will products with HDMI 1.3 capabilities be available to the public?

    Products using HDMI 1.3 capabilities are expected to become available this year starting with the PS3. Displays, DVDs and A/V Receivers are expected to ship early in 2007.

    Q: How will consumers know which products have the latest implementation of HDMI 1.3?

    Consumers should not look for a particular version of HDMI, but rather for the functionality that they want the device to support (Deep Color™, specific audio formats, etc.). Alternatively, consumers can look for support for these features called out in the manufacturer’s product information.

    Q: Is HDMI 1.3 backward compatible with prior releases of the HDMI spec and with DVI?

    Yes, HDMI is fully backward compatible with all prior releases of the HDMI spec, as well as DVI compliant devices.

    Q: Why is lip sync important?
    In a DTV, typically the video processing takes more time than the audio. As a result, lip sync can become an issue where it’s noticeable to the viewer, creating an effect similar to that of a badly-dubbed movie. HDMI 1.3 provides a method whereby the audio processing times in devices can be automatically adjusted to remove lip sync.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    Nonsense ... One of the HDMI standards is that each new version is fully backward compatible to previous versions ...
    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie

    Q: Is HDMI 1.3 backward compatible with prior releases of the HDMI spec and with DVI?

    Yes, HDMI is fully backward compatible with all prior releases of the HDMI spec, as well as DVI compliant devices.

    Please explain why a comcast hdmi 1.2 box does not work with my samsung hdmi 1.3 port since their exact words to me were "our boxes are not yet compatible with HDMI 1.3 ports." HOWEVER, I did plug my box in with an HDMI cable into my parents HDMI 1.2 port on their sony, worked absolutely perfect. My just displays white snow.

    Please reference this thread:
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48378
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    I've read the thread and I've seen this sort of stuff with other cable boxes ... It's not about what flavor of HDMI it is, it's about the HDCP handshaking.

    What makes you think the cable company knows ? They didn't manufacture the box, did they ? Even if they did the miss direction answer regarding HDMI 1.3 simply gets you off their back until they get their handshaking problems solved.

    If you want to believe the cable companies explanation over what I posted above and the links I referenced then by all means feel free to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    I've read the thread and I've seen this sort of stuff with other cable boxes ... It's not about what flavor of HDMI it is, it's about the HDCP handshaking.

    What makes you think the cable company knows ? They didn't manufacture the box, did they ? Even if they did the miss direction answer regarding HDMI 1.3 simply gets you off their back until they get their handshaking problems solved.

    If you want to believe the cable companies explanation over what I posted above and the links I referenced then by all means feel free to do so.

    It wasn't just the cable company that said this. Samsungs first and second tier tech support and motorola said the exact same thing.

    So if what you are saying is true then how do I fix the regular HD box if it is compatible? I know eventually comcast will make me pay for this DVR box and I don't want to pay for it so therefore I want to make the other box work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedLancer
    It wasn't just the cable company that said this. Samsungs first and second tier tech support and motorola said the exact same thing.

    So if what you are saying is true then how do I fix the regular HD box if it is compatible? I know eventually comcast will make me pay for this DVR box and I don't want to pay for it so therefore I want to make the other box work.
    Comcast's HDCP handshake isn't working. They probably don't know how to fix it, because ultimately it's a problem with the hardware, either in the cable box or the television. Sounds like the TV might have an HDCP handshake problem. Others have had similar issues with certain models, you should look around on AVSforum.com for more info.

    Samsung and Motorola are of course going to pass the buck on Comcast, because at the end of the day none of the manufacturers really care whether you're genuinely happy or not. They'll sell the same number of units to their distributors regardless. Sucks, but it's true.

    P.S. - Have you tried a different HDMI cable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    USB ??? ... LOL ... Maybe I missed something but I haven't seen much use for USB in A/V products ... Computers are of course a different story ...

    Without backward compatiblity the industry would be causing themselves ( and consumers ) a huge problem ... Think about it ...

    http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp

    http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMI_Insert_FINAL_8-30-06.pdf

    Outtakes ...

    Evolving standard – HDMI is continually evolving to meet the needs of the market. : Products implementing new versions of the HDMI specification will continue to be fully backward compatible with earlier HDMI products

    Q: Is HDMI 1.3 backward compatible with prior releases of the HDMI spec and with DVI?

    Yes, HDMI is fully backward compatible with all prior releases of the HDMI spec, as well as DVI compliant devices.

    Q. Are HDMI 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 compatible with the next generation videogame consoles implementing 1080p and HDMI’s new deep color capability?

    HDMI has been able to support 1080p content since version 1.0, and each new revision of the HDMI specification is fully backward compatible with previous revisions.

    The HDMI Founders issued a press release during CES 2006 announcing that a future HDMI specification would expand the performance capabilities to support deeper color (up to 48-bit color RGB color) and higher resolution audio formats (such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD). PCs and videogame consoles in particular are expected to be capable of delivering content that takes advantage of HDMI's latest capabilities. When such sources are interfaced to older HDMI HDTVs, the source should automatically select the highest quality video and audio performance supported by the HDTV.


    Q: What’s new in the HDMI 1.3 Specification?

    Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color™ and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.

    Deep Color™: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.

    Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “xvYCC” color standard, which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

    New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.

    Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.

    New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

    Q: Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or BluRay players?

    No. HDMI has the flexibility to transport these new high definition, lossless audio formats in either an uncompressed PCM stream, or as an encoded stream. PCM stands for Pulse-code modulation and it is a standard way to encode digital audio in computers, consumer electronics, CDs, DVDs, etc. Both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD, as well as DTS Master HD bitstreams are transportable over all versions of HDMI as decoded PCM. HDMI supports the highest quality uncompressed PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample.

    To use PCM outputs, consumers should make sure that their HD- DVD/BluRay players support the decoding of the HD audio formats into multi-channel PCM, and that their AV receiver or preamp processor supports multi-channel PCM over the HDMI inputs. Consult your user manual/product spec. sheet to determine whether your device supports such PCM capabilities (we believe that nearly all HD-DVD and BluRay players will, but users should confirm this). Devices that support HDMI v1.3 and higher may also offer the option to transport the high definition audio formats as a compressed, encoded stream that will be decoded by the AV receiver (whereas the above transport method has the playback device performing the decoding).


    Q: What products or applications will take advantage of new HDMI 1.3 capabilities?

    According to announcements by manufacturers, new high-definition DVD formats (HD-DVD and Blu-ray) and game machines (including the Sony PLAYSTATION® 3) will make use of capabilities added in HDMI 1.3. Digital televisions will be able to present images that are closer to real life than previously has been possible. These will include LCD TVs, plasma displays and rear projection microdisplays. The PS3 which is scheduled to ship in November 2006, will be the first source product to provide such high quality imagery to these displays. It is expected that hi-def DVD players will follow early in 2007 with HDMI 1.3 support. A/V Receivers that can decode DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD will start to show up early in 2007 as well. Please check with the manufacturers for details.

    Q: What is meant by the term “Deep Color™” and why is it important?

    Deep Color™ lets HDTVs and other displays go from millions of colors to billions of colors allowing consumers to enjoy unprecedented vividness and accuracy of color on their displays. Deep Color™ eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. It enables increased contrast ratio, and can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white.

    Q: What is “xvYCC”?

    HDMI 1.3 adopts use of the IEC 61966-2-4 color standard, commonly called xvYCC (shorthand for Extended YCC Colorimetry for Video Applications). This new standard can support 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals. xvYCC lets HDTVs display colors more accurately, enabling displays with more natural, vivid colors .

    Q: What is the difference between “Deep Color™” and “xvYCC?”

    Deep Color™ increases the number of available colors within the boundaries defined by the RGB or YCbCr color space, while xvYCC expands the available range (limits) to allow the display of colors that meet and exceed what human eyes can recognize.

    Q: When will products with HDMI 1.3 capabilities be available to the public?

    Products using HDMI 1.3 capabilities are expected to become available this year starting with the PS3. Displays, DVDs and A/V Receivers are expected to ship early in 2007.

    Q: How will consumers know which products have the latest implementation of HDMI 1.3?

    Consumers should not look for a particular version of HDMI, but rather for the functionality that they want the device to support (Deep Color™, specific audio formats, etc.). Alternatively, consumers can look for support for these features called out in the manufacturer’s product information.

    Q: Is HDMI 1.3 backward compatible with prior releases of the HDMI spec and with DVI?

    Yes, HDMI is fully backward compatible with all prior releases of the HDMI spec, as well as DVI compliant devices.

    Q: Why is lip sync important?
    In a DTV, typically the video processing takes more time than the audio. As a result, lip sync can become an issue where it’s noticeable to the viewer, creating an effect similar to that of a badly-dubbed movie. HDMI 1.3 provides a method whereby the audio processing times in devices can be automatically adjusted to remove lip sync.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedLancer
    It wasn't just the cable company that said this. Samsungs first and second tier tech support and motorola said the exact same thing.

    So if what you are saying is true then how do I fix the regular HD box if it is compatible? I know eventually comcast will make me pay for this DVR box and I don't want to pay for it so therefore I want to make the other box work.
    Figures a korean manufacturer would be in there somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porter
    Comcast's HDCP handshake isn't working. They probably don't know how to fix it, because ultimately it's a problem with the hardware, either in the cable box or the television. Sounds like the TV might have an HDCP handshake problem. Others have had similar issues with certain models, you should look around on AVSforum.com for more info.

    Samsung and Motorola are of course going to pass the buck on Comcast, because at the end of the day none of the manufacturers really care whether you're genuinely happy or not. They'll sell the same number of units to their distributors regardless. Sucks, but it's true.

    P.S. - Have you tried a different HDMI cable?
    It is definately not the cable, it happens with both HDMI cables I tried. I tested both on my parents TV and they both work perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIZILL
    DAMN, son. shut me the hell up, eh? n e way, no hdmi 1.3...
    Nope ... Just correcting the misinformation ... There are unfortunately way too many old wives tales regarding HDMI, so I thought this would be a good link to post and/or reference ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    So buy a CD player if you want CD ...

    It'll be quite awhile before there is any real benefit to HDMI 1.3 ...
    Don't need one. My inexpensive ps3 does sacd, like I said, this player is not for me. Just posting for those who are interested. My guess is that people can get by without HDi, CD, or HDMI 1.3 capability. But with inexpensive choices that already include all these things and $1200 buying you only one extra studio's output, I don't see the point. But I'm willing to admit that others may want it.

    And FYI, CES 2007 had hdmi 1.3 receivers and pre/pros announced for release by the summer. Doesn't sound like too long of a wait. They just have to start producing dolby true hd and dts-hd audio tracks on the disks and hd audio should be one helluva ride...:D.
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    Regarding the LG player ... I agree ...

    Regarding HD audio ... I'll repost this part from previously referenced site ...

    Q: Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or BluRay players?

    No. HDMI has the flexibility to transport these new high definition, lossless audio formats in either an uncompressed PCM stream, or as an encoded stream. PCM stands for Pulse-code modulation and it is a standard way to encode digital audio in computers, consumer electronics, CDs, DVDs, etc. Both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD, as well as DTS Master HD bitstreams are transportable over all versions of HDMI as decoded PCM. HDMI supports the highest quality uncompressed PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample. To use PCM outputs, consumers should make sure that their HD- DVD/BluRay players support the decoding of the HD audio formats into multi-channel PCM, and that their AV receiver or preamp processor supports multi-channel PCM over the HDMI inputs. Consult your user manual/product spec. sheet to determine whether your device supports such PCM capabilities (we believe that nearly all HD-DVD and BluRay players will, but users should confirm this). Devices that support HDMI v1.3 and higher may also offer the option to transport the high definition audio formats as a compressed, encoded stream that will be decoded by the AV receiver (whereas the above transport method has the playback device performing the decoding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porter
    Sounds like the TV might have an HDCP handshake problem. Others have had similar issues with certain models, you should look around on AVSforum.com for more info.

    Samsung and Motorola are of course going to pass the buck on Comcast, because at the end of the day none of the manufacturers really care whether you're genuinely happy or not. They'll sell the same number of units to their distributors regardless. Sucks, but it's true.

    P.S. - Have you tried a different HDMI cable?
    Definately not the TV either, it works perfect with the DVR box from comcast so it is definately that regular comcast HD box. As far as passing buck on Comcast, if course it is Comcasts problem. They are the ones providing outdated and non-updated technology to their customers and charging them a premium for it. Samsung did their job producing a great working TV, motorola did their job providing the box, Comcast just hasn't done their job keeping the boxes updated. Whether or not its motorola or comcast that should be updating the box.....well that's up to them to decide. However, I send my monthly bill to comcast, not motorola, thus making it comcasts problem for the fix.

    I am not trying to be harsh on you about this issue however I have been on the phone atleast 6-8 times now with techs trying to get this sorted out. The TV and HDMI cable are definately ruled out as far as causes, however switching the cable box to a DVR model worked therefore we know it was the regular HD box.

    And as of July 2005 is it illegal for comcast to provide those boxes with the non-updated DVI and HDMI connections according to FCC regulations(actual article referenced in my thread).

    Now you see why I am sticking this to comcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    Regarding the LG player ... I agree ...

    Regarding HD audio ... I'll repost this part from previously referenced site ...

    Q: Do I need v1.3 HDMI to hear the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master HD audio content on HD-DVD or BluRay players?

    No. HDMI has the flexibility to transport these new high definition, lossless audio formats in either an uncompressed PCM stream, or as an encoded stream. PCM stands for Pulse-code modulation and it is a standard way to encode digital audio in computers, consumer electronics, CDs, DVDs, etc. Both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD, as well as DTS Master HD bitstreams are transportable over all versions of HDMI as decoded PCM. HDMI supports the highest quality uncompressed PCM audio at 192kHz, 24 bits per sample. To use PCM outputs, consumers should make sure that their HD- DVD/BluRay players support the decoding of the HD audio formats into multi-channel PCM, and that their AV receiver or preamp processor supports multi-channel PCM over the HDMI inputs. Consult your user manual/product spec. sheet to determine whether your device supports such PCM capabilities (we believe that nearly all HD-DVD and BluRay players will, but users should confirm this). Devices that support HDMI v1.3 and higher may also offer the option to transport the high definition audio formats as a compressed, encoded stream that will be decoded by the AV receiver (whereas the above transport method has the playback device performing the decoding).
    A lot of things have to line up correctly in order to playback without an hdmi 1.3 receiver. Chief among them is that the source player has to be able to decode the format. With all the yes/no/maybe but with a firmware upgrade out there, that's a lot of hit and miss. I prefer to have all my signals passed onto my receiver/pre/pro and decoded and passed onto the amps from there. That's why I paid the bucks for the electronics in the box. Might as well get full use from it with less coding/decoding of the original signal along the way.

    But again, that's just me. I like to spend the money for the audio electronics in one box and get the best I can there. I'm sure others can use the process you quoted.

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    Whatever ... By the time they start making a selection of DVD's that actually utilize most of the features that are in the HDMI 1.3 spec ... 1.4 will start showing up ... and so on ... and so on ...

    IMHO the most important feature that's in 1.3 is Lip Sync ... The rest is gravy ...

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    Like I said, I like it simple. Get a 1.3 source and you can put all the money into a high quality 1.3 receiver or pre/pro. I'm on this forum 'cause the audio is important to me. And using the savings from the ps3 to put into a high quality audio component has a lot of other benefits for me. Not sure why that deserves a ...whatever...

    But if all you want is the lip sync and don't mind wading through all the some have it some don't players, that works for you. It's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkWannabie
    Whatever ... By the time they start making a selection of DVD's that actually utilize most of the features that are in the HDMI 1.3 spec ... 1.4 will start showing up ... and so on ... and so on ...

    IMHO the most important feature that's in 1.3 is Lip Sync ... The rest is gravy ...

    Curious, since you seem to be the HDMI guru, what do you suggest for a solution to my problem? Who do I call? Who do I yell at? What do I ask for? etc....thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedLancer
    And as of July 2005 is it illegal for comcast to provide those boxes with the non-updated DVI and HDMI connections according to FCC regulations(actual article referenced in my thread).

    Now you see why I am sticking this to comcast?
    Sounds like you haven't gone far enough up the chain of command.

    Go to the local service center and ask to speak directly to the person that manages the technicians.

    Failing that, talk to the general manager.

    Bypass tiered customer service phone support at all costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedLancer
    Curious, since you seem to be the HDMI guru, what do you suggest for a solution to my problem? Who do I call? Who do I yell at? What do I ask for? etc....thanks.

    BL,

    You don't need an HDMI guru, this just isn't something you can solve by yelling at the format. It's always possible no matter what the standard that it will be implemented so poorly that something breaks in the compatibility chain. HDCP breaks WITHIN an HDMI version. It's no surprise that it can break BETWEEN versions as well.

    You have a customer service problem plain and simple. And your solution lies with someone up the chain of command at comcast like porter said.

    Edit: Or it may just be that there are so few people in your situation, that you won't find satisfaction at Comcast. Sorry, but it wouldn't be the first time. Sucks dealing with monopolies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggedLancer
    Curious, since you seem to be the HDMI guru, what do you suggest for a solution to my problem? Who do I call? Who do I yell at? What do I ask for? etc....thanks.
    Guru ? ... Hardly ... I'm only able to search and read ...

    As far as whom to call and yell at ... You found the right place i.e. the box manufacturer ... Maybe you can get a straight answer farther up the chain, but my guess is you won't. I would guess as more people start using HDMI and they start getting more complaints they'll eventually provide a non Tivo unit that properly HDCP handshakes.

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    Ok, so stick with going after comcast like I have been doing and not samsung or motorola.

    It seems like all they do on the phone is transfer you around in circles. I am going to see if I can locate a local HQ.

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