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    Speaking of Victrola, they had their own sound. They can transform you into a different time and place. The old mono machines had their own sound too. Set one up in a room and you can enjoy music in a new and different way. Old vintage rigs have their own sound as well. Takes me back to the classics.

    Modern two channel has replaced these old antiques because it allows for a true performance with little of its own sound shining through.

    Multichannel? Material mastered well for multichannel becomes its own sort of art form. It is not a standard audiophile performance that it excels in. What it does excel in is creating a fantasy place created by the mix which you can explore. Not putting it down because when called for by the media it can be quite exciting.

    With that said I will put it next in line after vintage rigs with 2 channel being the standard for audiophile sound.

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    I had a Thomas Edison here at my place for a while. When someone said crank it up it really meant crank it up. It was enjoyable to listen to a piece of history. And it work when the hurricanes knocked out the power too.


    And thats why I think one channel is better than 2

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    Default What I have observed in my lifetime....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tequila
    I did try and try and try and really think than 2 channel is better for music to ME. Sometimes like me the efects from mch BUT the image from the FRONTS is really better. Now, I am thinking buy another amp to another pair of fronts and another SW to FULL the FRONT stage with real 2.1 sound x 2. That is better than bi-amp....I mean bi-amp and bi-speakers and bi-woffer...:D

    AND No surrounds.
    I have that setup on my rig and it works wonders! Dual-amped / Dual speakered, with sub. Sweet sounds!

    Not a big fan of multi-channel here......think I'll slide out now.

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    Ah, ah, ah...Thats rightĦĦĦ

    Now Treitz3 are in the DOUBLE STEREO team:D

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    Default Will always go this route! 2 channel rules!

    I had a little fun assembling this. You may find this of interest.....

    http://www.putfile.com/treitz3/images/84795

    The synergy achieved is unreal. I'm happy.:D
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    I just read this whole thread, and got a little dis-enheartened. F1nut is a friend of mine and a damn good one at that.

    Instead of confronting him, learn from him! He's a good man, and I thank him for his generosity in helping others seek there own version of audio nirvana.

    Does he get paid to do this. No.

    It's a passion....just be thankful that he is vocal about his knowledge. That is all.
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marly421
    F1nut. I hate this guy, I assume most people do. IMO he's hate filled, mean and an ugly person. I turned him OFF several years ago. I feel better.

    Your feelings are yours,your opinion is yours too But don't think that you can ASSume what people think or feel about f1nut or any member of this forum.

    F1nut a highly respected member of this forum and i for one will not tolerate in silence anyone writing such a condescending, mean full sentence regardless of your opinion of such person.
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    All this talk of multichannel is making me want to set up an old fashioned mono system. (Thats stereo but without the "added" spatial information, true hard core old school audiophile stuff). Your room and speaker positioning is it. Takes away the mixing tradeoffs completely. I wonder if anyone does this these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax
    All this talk of multichannel is making me want to set up an old fashioned mono system. (Thats stereo but without the "added" spatial information, true hard core old school audiophile stuff). Your room and speaker positioning is it. Takes away the mixing tradeoffs completely. I wonder if anyone does this these days?
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    I bet Ken S. could comment on this. I'm sure he's familar with this "old school" method.

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    I also occasionally listen the Beatles mono mixes. But I somehow don't get the same feeling. It certainly would be something that you'd have to get used to since stereo is so familar.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax
    All this talk of multichannel is making me want to set up an old fashioned mono system. (Thats stereo but without the "added" spatial information, true hard core old school audiophile stuff). Your room and speaker positioning is it. Takes away the mixing tradeoffs completely. I wonder if anyone does this these days?
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    Don D'Alfonso of Hearthedifference.com has a third turntable rig that is set up as a mono rig and has quite a selection of mono records.

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    I'll start a thread on this when I get a chance. I've listened to mono lps here and there and with my setup and they really suck. I'm sure the system needs to be set up using a totally different mindset than we currently have. I'm getting excited about this new system already! Mono, the final frontier... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmax
    Mono, the final frontier... :)

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    Freitz3: CongratulationsĦĦĦĦ

    I have something like that: Rti8 down and Rti6 up RIGHT, and the same LEFT. 4 speakers and 4 MB Outlaw, IS incredible. 2 receivers Marantz and SW505.:D

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    How did I miss this thread up to now, I don't know. I would apologize to Tequila for the hijack, but I guess it's too late for that; disculpa hermano ;)

    I am really a new member here compared to the majority, and I've received lots of help from old and new members; I enjoy hanging out here, I do my best to help when I feel I can, I've learned A LOT (only a couple of years into audio), have bought a few bargains, given back a bit, and I really see this place as a family.

    Having said this, I hate when things get rough, specially when people that have been friends get so bitter. I've never met Jesse, but for some weird reason I know he is a great guy, lots of knowledge, and also willing to help out anyone; unfortunately I also think he enjoys being an a$$, and he knows how to do it. I will meet you some day and I'm sure we'll get along, over a beer, rum, or even root beer ;).
    I did meet Mark, just last week, and he is a great guy; from what I remember on my first days on this forum, he also knows how to be an a$$, and also enjoyed being one; it seems that he has taken a different approach now. The one thing that I don't like about Mark is that last Friday when we met he said that he didn't do the chaps on the first date...damn. ;)

    I guess you guys could care less about what I think or say, but it is sad to see these kind of dicussions in the family. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you just enjoy it? Whatever; just my $ 0.02. It's just not cool to see this on the forum.

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    We both have a love for this forum regardless of the personal issues.

    I think Jesse is a very nice man and I know you would enjoy, actually WILL enjoy meeting him in Chicago. Bring your finest local Root Beer and your golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorokusai
    I think Jesse is a very nice man and I know you would enjoy, actually WILL enjoy meeting him in Chicago.
    What's goin' on in chick-a-go?
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    Default Sounds great.

    TXS. I'll be sure to see all of you there! Not at Chicago, but Georgia!
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    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael_w
    Unless music is recorded in the studio in more than two channels it's only natural to play it through two speakers. If you're playing media that only contains two channels of music and yet you're playing it through five or more speakers, it's up to the processor or receiver to basically make something up and decide how to distribute things. IMO when it comes to listening to music, less is more. Two ears, two channels, two speakers
    Well said!

    Some lp's were recorded in quad but the bulk are two channel

    Surround systems are great for movies but I personally do not like them for music

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