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    Default Now that we all have 16:9 screens...

    How come all the movies i watch on dvd are in 2.35:1?:o

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    I'm right there with you on that..what an annoyance!! Wonder if 2.35:1 sets are on the drawing board somewhere.
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    doesnt that chap your arse. I hate when I rent something and get the bars
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    That's because the movie industry has no standards about what things are filmed in. The HD stations adopted 16:9 ratio for filming years ago for their standards. Look at it like this...we always had 4:3 ratio TV's before the advent of the "widescreen" and a 2:35 film would have MAJOR black bars! Panoramic filming has been done since the 50's or 60's and most directors prefer it for movies because they can get more "visual" in the film. I think "Ben Hur" was one of the first filmed in that ratio and it didn't fit on most movie screens across the US when it came out.

    I've seen 2:35 aspect flat panels at CES or CEDIA but if those come out, you know what'll happen when you watch a rerun of most any TV show made in the last 80 years...you'll have black bars on the SIDES.

    I just put up with the bars. We're always going to have them in some capacity. If 16:9 TV's are the only thing everyone owns 100 years from now, they will have black bars on the sides from all the original TV shows filmed in 4:3. It's inevitable.
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    No doubt
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    Ben Hur is 2.76:1

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    News flash*****We all don't have 16:9 screens*****
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkThug View Post
    Ben Hur is 2.76:1

    Ahh...that's right. I stand corrected! I knew it was a darn wide movie. Thanks for the heads up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    News flash*****We all don't have 16:9 screens*****
    I know...it's even worse for those with 4:3

    I 've only been 16:9 for a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    News flash*****We all don't have 16:9 screens*****
    true.... true. I'd love one, but I can live with black bars, you guys think you have it bad, try watching 2.35:1 movie on a 27" 4:3
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    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5 View Post
    How come all the movies i watch on dvd are in 2.35:1?:o
    So that 10 yrs from now, all TV's can be re-made into 2.35:1 ratios and we can buy new sets...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    News flash*****We all don't have 16:9 screens*****
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    That's the way the director intended it to be! You can always use the a zoom feature if you have it. Otherwise, dim the lights and get use to it and stop complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    That's the way the director intended it to be! You can always use the a zoom feature if you have it. Otherwise, dim the lights and get use to it and stop complaining.
    yes sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    That's the way the director intended it to be! You can always use the a zoom feature if you have it. Otherwise, dim the lights and get use to it and stop complaining.
    Nobody's complaining about the INTENDED size of the picture. We're complaining that current 16:9 sets no longer fit the intended size of the picture for the majority of releases.

    The director didn't intend for black bars to be part of the presentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    News flash*****We all don't have 16:9 screens*****
    Are you referring to a constant image height/projection setup or 4:3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnjvh View Post
    Nobody's complaining about the INTENDED size of the picture. We're complaining that current 16:9 sets no longer fit the intended size of the picture for the majority of releases.

    The director didn't intend for black bars to be part of the presentation.
    The ones that don't fill screen are supposed to be that way. Not trying to be rude, but its frustrating to me that people don't understand that's the way its intended to look on a widescreen display. However, movies with a 1.77:1 aspect ratio will fill the screen, same with 1.85:1 unless your tv has little to no overscan.

    Here is a good link to better understand the "black bars".

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    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5 View Post
    yes sir
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    You intoxicated?
    no..it was just a silly post to point out that 16:9 screens are becoming the norm and now it seems lot of movies are using anamorphic

    it was just an observation..geez

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    I understand that films should be viewed in the aspect they were filmed in and the whole directors intent thing. That is not in question and I agree with you. The point in this thread is that it seems that no sooner does 16:9 go mainstream for displays, the mainstream film aspect changes. Most films are now filmed in and intended to be viewed in an aspect that widescreen displays are not distributed in, thus we have the return of the black bars which would require a 2.35 display to eliminate.

    Not to mention that while the black bars on current displays do satisfy directors' intent, they also sacrifice resolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnjvh View Post
    I understand that films should be viewed in the aspect they were filmed in and the whole directors intent thing. That is not in question and I agree with you. The point in this thread is that it seems that no sooner does 16:9 go mainstream for displays, the mainstream film aspect changes. Most films are now filmed in and intended to be viewed in an aspect that widescreen displays are not distributed in, thus we have the return of the black bars which would require a 2.35 display to eliminate.

    Not to mention that while the black bars on current displays do satisfy directors' intent, they also sacrifice resolution.
    Understood, the problem that lies with any aspect ratio display you have, you are going to get bars no matter what. This might help some...

    HDTV is 16:9 which translates to 1.78:1 ratio. Old regular TV was 1.33:1, so the bars are on the sides. Some movies and shows are at 1.85:1, and with overscan on a lot of HDTVs, you're not even likely to see the bars on the top and bottom. However, most movies are filmed in really wide scope and are either 2.35 or 2.40:1, so you're going to get bars.

    Of the 30 HD-DVD movies I own or have rented, all but Corpse Bride have fell into this category.

    To "fix" it, you're going to need to pony up more money on processor, lens, new screen, etc. to use all the pixels on these movies and then you'd have black bars on the sides during ATSC 1.78:1. If all you what are movies and you have the money, you might want to consider it. If you also watch a lot of OTA or Sat hidef, it may be more trouble and expense then it's worth.

    As for zooming, I believe that most displays do not allow zooming of 1080 signals either. And if you could do that, you'd be chopping off some of the picture from the sides. That's what HBO, etc. does on most of their broadcasts and why people complain about not getting OAR (original aspect ratio). My advice, live with it and if it bothers you so much, plan for it with your next upgrade.

    Hope some of this helps, but as I posted above (www.widescreen.org) can explain more in depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5 View Post
    no..it was just a silly post to point out that 16:9 screens are becoming the norm and now it seems lot of movies are using anamorphic

    it was just an observation..geez
    Have you never watched a DVD before in your life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    Otherwise, dim the lights and get use to it and stop complaining.
    Exactly. If you're watching 'black bars' then your theater room isn't dark enough.

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    Black bars don't bother me but dark gray would but that is why I bought DLP projector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    Have you never watched a DVD before in your life?
    never..

    what is dvd? is that the Dick Van Dyck biography?

    Speaking of dick....I've only had my widescreen for 1 month...that's why I started noticing it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkThug View Post
    Exactly. If you're watching 'black bars' then your theater room isn't dark enough.
    theater room? sorry don't have that luxory

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    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5 View Post
    never..

    what is dvd? is that the Dick Van Dyck biography?

    Speaking of dick....I've only had my widescreen for 1 month...that's why I started noticing it...
    DVDs have been available for almost 10 years at this point, and have overwhelmingly supported movies in their Original Aspect Ratios since the very beginning. How can someone, in 10 years of watching DVDs (or nearly so), have never seen a 2.35:1 movie or noticed that they have black bars? I would really like to know how that's conceivably possible.

    Even if you didn't have a widescreen TV until just recently, surely at some point a human being (Dick) would have to notice that some movies (Lord of the Rings, Gladiator, thousands more) have larger black bars than others (Jurassic Park, The Godfather, thousands more)?
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    DVD's come with bars................. I'm getting ripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krabby5 View Post
    theater room? sorry don't have that luxory
    Can't shut the lights off?? Seems like they are off in your head!:D

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    Maybe understanding that you have a widescreen tv not 16:9, would help. Also, if the "bars" annoy you, you really need to calibrate.
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