You can see the SDA effect with this song

[Deadof_knight]

OK if your a rocker then you will have ZZ top Eliminator album goto track 7 "thug" turn it up fairly loud and a couple notches on the bass as well and you can see the drivers acting independently course I like the song as well ..... then listen to "tv dinners track 8" oh man does it sound good and you get a visual as well ....... haven a few beers relaxing going through all my ZZ top album right now ......:D

[avguytx]

Damn, all I have is Greatest Hits. Somewhere in the past, it was ganked! Man I would love to hear that album. I'll have to look for it the next time at the store.

[Deadof_knight]

Hell yeah the greatest hits albums is awesome !! I still need legrange cd

[Lasareath]

What is a "legrange cd" ?

[Polk65]

Instead of using bass control it would be better to dial it to '0' or flat and turn up the power. Listening with the bass turned up can bottom out mid-woofers and damage them. Watching drivers can get addicting but they are meant to be heard. :D

[read-alot]

Hell yeah the greatest hits albums is awesome !! I still need legrange cd

Tres Hombres


ZZ Top spoken here.

[Deadof_knight]

Allright there Polk , I assummed moderation as your guide...... but thanks for the advise Im sure someone out there definetely needs to know that ..... oops there I am assumming again.


Tres Hombres ...yea thats it !

[Polk65]

Yeah.. yeah.. A few times I hit the power button the next day and forgot to dial the bass down.

[C J T]

Eliminator CD sounds amazing. Before compression became the norm. The Greatest Hits does not sound as good, and I agree, Thug and TV Dinners are great tunes..

I know there is another thread on this but I really hope they solve this compression thing.

I just picked up the new Silversun Pickups album. Love the song "Lazy Eye" but the CD is so bloody loud. And once ripped to my Ipod, it is unlistenable.

And they wonder why CD sales are down? I would be buying far more if they did not sound like crap. Might as well just download it.

The new Linkin Park album is a bloody masterpiece. Why make it sound like crap?

[F1nut]

Tone controls are for amateurs.

Get ZZ Top's Chrome, Smoke and BBQ.

[reeltrouble1]

Ok I will.

RT1

[Deadof_knight]

well being that I'm out of town and have nothing to do I will have to search for this treasure of a cd , and when I install my 18''s I won't use the bass knob anymore

[F1nut]

You wouldn't know real bass if you heard it.

[VR3]

If you need a subwoofer for rock music on the 1.2tl - something is wrong.

[Lasareath]

If you need a subwoofer for rock music on the 1.2tl - something is wrong.

I have 1.2TL's and if I play the beach boys there's hardly any bass, So I turn on my Sunfire Sub.

If I play Bjork or Pink Floyd or anything that was recorded in the past 10 years the bass is phenomenal!

It all depends what you are playing, I guess the Beach boys are considered "Rock" ?

Should I consider that something is wrong when playing a recording that has hardly any bass?

Lasareath

[F1nut]

That's an interesting point. If there's a lack of bass with a recording without using a sub and you turn on your sub and now have bass, just where the eff is the bass coming from? You certainly can't make bass that isn't there, so by adding the sub into the mix, the only thing I can think of is that it's somehow overemphasizing the upper bass, which means you still don't really have any low bass from the recording.

[Lasareath]

That's a good point, I guess @ the next Polkfest we should bring along some test equipment and see what is exactly happening. But I think that you are on to something.

To me I think what's happening is that my Sub is using it's 2700 watt amp and producing more bass than actually was intended to be there in the first place.

Some music it sounds good with and some it's just overkill. Last night I was playing some Beyonce and the two following songs have way too much bass IMHO. With just the 1.2TL's and my Carver's @ 30 Volume it was deafening.

Burn these to CD and try it for yourselves:

http://38.161.195.8/Beyonce-ring_the_alarm.mp3

http://38.161.195.8/Beyonce-upgrade_u.mp3


Sal

[heiney9]

......nm

[PolkThug]

My Head's in Mississippi. The Polk 15's love this one.

[honda cber]

You certainly can't make bass that isn't there, so by adding the sub into the mix, the only thing I can think of is that it's somehow overemphasizing the upper bass, which means you still don't really have any low bass from the recording.

but it *is* there. especially on analogue recordings. frequency roll off... the proper boosting (by turning up a sub that is properly crossed-over for use with large speakers, for example) will make these frequencies audible. try it. i would guess that 20-30% of my vinyl collection has a very soft bass curve, and a little subwoofer output makes them sound great. the bass drum in an orchestra hit, the rumble of jack bruce's three or four marshall stacks, or the bass pedals on jimmy smith's organ... having been a musician for over 15 years who lived with and lugged a B3 and leslie around for four years--- you better believe a hammond is capable of thick, low bass that will shake the doors...

i suppose it is a matter of personal taste.

i will point out that i loathe most of the more recent cd recordings of popular music (as mentioned recently), and that the cd that one would get from my modest home studio would not be nearly as loud and distorted as any of those mainstream release. remember that not all labels destroy their music!!

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[read-alot]

Last night I was playing some Beyonce and the two following songs have way too much bass IMHO. With just the 1.2TL's and my Carver's @ 30 Volume it was deafening.

Burn these to CD and try it for yourselves:

http://38.161.195.8/Beyonce-ring_the_alarm.mp3

http://38.161.195.8/Beyonce-upgrade_u.mp3


Sal

I can't believe you would have this post in a thread about ZZ Top.

Who the hell am I trying to fool of course I do.

[Gary Batson]

Back in the analog days, Everything had to be compressed to be put on an LP or tape. And the bass went along with it. I almost always have to add bass to older recordings that haven't been remixed. I don't like tone controls either but sometimes you just gotta.

[Lasareath]

I can't believe you would have this post in a thread about ZZ Top.

Why can't you believe it?, Your ZZ top post turned into a post about not enough bass. There's only 4 posts about ZZ top and 16 about bass and tone controls.

I think that my post makes perfect sense when people talk about lack of bass or too much bass.

But, if you still don't believe it!, Read it over and over a few dozens of time and maybe you'll start to believe that I posted it!

Las

Who the hell am I trying to fool of course I do.

And what does this mean?, Did you read it back to yourself before you hit Sumbit reply?

[F1nut]

but it *is* there. especially on analogue recordings. frequency roll off...

Frequency roll off on the source material would mean that the info isn't there.

[Lasareath]

Frequency roll off on the source material would mean that the info isn't there.

Jesse,

Couldn't the 20HZ material be recorded at 50% less volume than the 100HZ material in a particullar song?

If so, I would say that a sub that has a 400 Watt Amp would produce the 20HZ information at a certain Volume and the 2700 Watt Sub would produce it louder.

Or I'm Crazy?

Sal

[read-alot]

And what does this mean?, Did you read it back to yourself before you hit Sumbit reply?

It just means that Hell will Freeze before Beyonce gets played on my Polks.

[Deadof_knight]

haha I used the bass knob turned up by +6 on my denon 3300 and started this whole mess jeashhhhh been interesting reading...thats for sure old rock is missing alot of bass so I adds it back in and Im good with that . new recordings starting back when madonna came into town bass has been over done with everyones recordings, rock pop you name it and dont even get me started on hip hop recordings........JMHO

[Gary Batson]

I think the thread was about pumping up the bass for visual effect with, Umm,,,I think it was ZZ top TVdinners and Beer. I'm not sure. I just remember something about beer. I think I'll have one now. Or was it just about bass and Beachboys and beer. Or maybe just beer. Maybe it's a thread about beer!!! And what is Beyonce???

[Deadof_knight]

HAHAHAA yup it was about Beer I think toooo Beyonce = BOOOTY= bass hers has got some bass allright damn!

[F1nut]

Sal, There really isn't much, other than the organ, in music that goes below 30Hz. As for the rest, I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here.