Nightline tonight: Parents blame mercury for autism

[candyliquor35m]

Opinions before or after watching it?

[exalted512]

Couldnt really careless what parents think about what causes autism, what do the doctors think? I heard on the news the other day that a bunch of parents thought it was all the shots we get as kids now, and I'm pretty sure doctors have already dismissed that from being the case...I agree, it does need to be brought up more, but spreading rumors is not the way to do it. Not that I'm saying its not true, but like I said, parents are far from experts so I'll start listening when the experts chime in.
-Cody

[ben62670]

My little one has autism, and she is less than 2. They supposedly have not been using the preservatives had supposedly cause autism for 5 years. Lots of kids are born with autism at a steadily increasing rate. It would be nice to figure out what is causing it.
Ben

[Shizelbs]

Vaccines are not causing autism.

[Refefer]

My sister works in school psychology and has had the opportunity of learning a great deal about Autism. Her opinion on the matter is we're still a ways off to figuring out what causes it and the opinions expressed on the show last night were representative of just one of several different competing theories, each one with quite a bit of evidence to support theirs as victor.

The good news from this is that there are several scientists working out figuring out, and possibly preventing, autism now. With luck, the answer isn't too far off.

[jdhdiggs]

Oh, goody a Hg thread, and I just got my popcorn! Go get 'em Shelby!

Me? I'll believe medical science over a crackpot with an agenda anyday.

[jm1]

Not to derail the original topic of the thread, but there is a similar avenue of thought with fluoride. The book “The Fluoride Deception” shows compelling evidence that higher interests have colluded to obscure and hinder any honest disclosure of fluoride toxicity. I can’t help to wonder what else has been given this treatment.

For an introduction to the book contents, watch this interview with the author.

Coincidently, I visited the dentist last night. He said my teeth are looking much better and inquired about what I was doing different since the last visit. I didn’t have the heart to tell him (possibly for the good of his career) we have tried to eliminate all possible sources of fluoride from our house.

[Demiurge]

I blame Mars.

[GermanVirgins]

Im not sure if vaccinations are the cause of the increased incidences of autism.

These chemicals are included in the vaccinations. This list is fact and indisputable. Remember, this chemical potion is not being injected into your average 175lb man, but wrather our newborn infants.

Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Bovine Serum
2-Phenoxyethanol ( main ingredient in antifreeze)

2-Phenoxyethanol replaced thimerosal about five years ago. Thimerosal is a mercury dirrivative.

The Environmental Protection Agency considers mercury a hazordous material.

[Shizelbs]

Damnit. I don't have the patience for junk science today.

[cfrizz]

Oh dear God! Are we back to this again??

It's a bunch of BS.
We don't care.
They are just looking for someone to sue. (see the crazy judge thread)
They are just crazy.
They smoked/shot/inhaled dope & gave their kid autism!

Get a life!

[jdhdiggs]

Damnit. I don't have the patience for junk science today.

Dang it Shelby, if I have to make time to debunk junk economic threads, the least you can do is fight the junk medicine threads! WTH man?

;)

[hearingimpared]

Opinions before or after watching it?

You are a glutton for punishment!

[candyliquor35m]

You are a glutton for punishment!

I'm staying on the sidelines this time. I'm just the messenger.

It airs tonight (tues.) and I've got my vcr set and now my alarm on my phone.

[Shizelbs]

Im not sure if vaccinations are the cause of the increased incidences of autism.

There is currently no research or medical literature that shows any link between mercury, thimerosal, anything vaccine related and autism. I just got back from a huge immunization conference in Portland. The head person from the CDC for immunizations was there and talked at length about the subject. His conclusion, as well as mine, is that there is no link between autism and vaccines.

Its natural to want to find a cause or reason for something, but immunizations are not the answer to the cause of autism.

[Shizelbs]

Let us not forget the enormous indisputable benefit that mass immunizations brings to the country. Vaccines are an invaluable asset to current public health policy.

[Shizelbs]

Dang it Shelby, if I have to make time to debunk junk economic threads, the least you can do is fight the junk medicine threads! WTH man?

;)

I'm sorry. You are correct.

[Shizelbs]

Also, except for some of the one's done by John Stossel, these evening news programs and their 'investigative reporting' and usually very biased and wrong. For those of you watching the program, please keep that in mind. They have their own agenda as well.

I've watched three different episodes where they reported on things related to pharmacy. And three times I've been angered by their frustrating reporting which spouts lies as truth and their total mismanagement of facts. They cannot report a story correctly to save their lives. Most of what they say will go unchallenged by the lay public.

I'll try my best to watch it if I have the time.

[pearsall001]

How's about the food we eat? If you can actually call it that. Our bodies are bombarded with more chemicals, poisions, preservatives, additives, & the like to keep things fresh & looking oh so yummy. Our bodies have to fight back somehow. There's more weird **** popping up now than ever before with our overall health. Now, let's not forget our friend "Mercury"...ban the tuna 'cause it's got mercury contamination...but come sit in my dentist chair & let me drill holes in your mouth & pour it in. Yeah baby! Oh, and Flouride my new best friend...the most lethal poison known to man..let's put in the water & drink up me hardies!! Srubb, scrub, scrub your teeth with this wonderful poison & smile for the man. Ever wonder why almost every other country on planet earth has banned fluoride? Not here, too much money at stake. Vaccines, the juries still out on this one but I guarantee you'll never hear a bad thing about them from our doctors & government. Way too much at stake, & I ain't talking health either. Damn, I could sure go fo a nice Philly cheesesteak with some cheese fries & a nice fluoride bottle of water to wash it down!!! :D

[jdhdiggs]

too much money at stake? For who? Damn those flouride barons and their damn lobbiests!

[hearingimpared]

Some of this **** is down right ridiculous. . . okay so why don't we ban iodine now. . . it just kept a whole generation from goiter. I'm surprised someone didn't come up with iodine causes high blood pressure, oh yeah right too much salt cause that!!!. . . but there was a study that showed some people were allergic to iodine thus plain salt. Cut me a break with all this BS.

It appears we can't think for ourselves and the way to our hearts is with sensationalism.

Bacon caused cancer for two years then it turned out it was good for you. . . Sweet 'n' Low causes cancer! they forgot to tell you that they gave rats the equivelant of 800 packets a day! WTF.

Which way is the wind blowing today. . . blah blah blah!!!

[pearsall001]

You're good to go as long as they don't find anything bad about chicken wings!

[Dennis Gardner]

If Mercury is to cause for autism, are we going to diss it as a planet as we did Pluto?

Just askin...........

[hearingimpared]

You're good to go as long as they don't find anything bad about chicken wings!

They already did, "Buffalo.":D :D :D

[McLoki]

Here are some autism facts for you:

The Treffert study (1970) concluded that for people born between 1954-1964 the rate of autism was 3.1 per 10,000

The Burd study (1987) concluded that for people born between 1967-1983 the rate of autism was 3.26 per 10,000

The Ritivo study (1989) concluded that for people born between 1960-1984 the rate of autism was 2.47 per 10,000

The current rate (as determined by a February 2007 multi-state study by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention) is now 67 per 10,000. (1 in every 150 kids born today)

Blame or ignore what you want - but the facts are the rate is increasing dramatically and there needs to be a clear understanding of why. As the parent of 2 autistic children, I am past the "I want someone to blame" and into the "what the hell do I do now" stage. The cost of caring for a child (through adulthood) with autsim is 2 - 2.5 million.

Obviously much of that cost has to be picked up by the government. The strain this will end up causing on society and government is not only emotional but financial as well. The costs of therapy is staggering. (and try to find a daycare that is willing to deal with it) - I dare say it is definately more than most families can afford on their own.

This is not a problem that you can ignore and make go away. No one knows what causes Autism and anyone who says they do is lying (at least for now). I do fully understand parents at their wits end looking for something that will help get them through the day. For some it is looking for someone to blame, for others it is grasping at straws looking for anything that has the possilbity of making it easier to care for their children and making their childs struggle to understand the world less of a challenge.

As far as studies conducted by the immunization companies and councels. I let them hold as much weight with me as studies by the cigarette companies in the 1950's.

Personally I think it is a combination of things both genetic and environment based. knowing what those combinations may be though is a project for people much smarter than myself.

Michael

[McLoki]

Ben62670 - Unfortunately, it looks like we are getting close to being able to start an autism support group on the forum....

PM me if you ever want another opinion on anything or need anyone to talk to.

Michael

[F1nut]

Oh dear God! Are we back to this again??

It's a bunch of BS.
We don't care.
They are just looking for someone to sue. (see the crazy judge thread)
They are just crazy.
They smoked/shot/inhaled dope & gave their kid autism!

Get a life!

Hehe........I love it when you get fired up.





I blame it on the Clinton's.

[opus]

Michael, I ask this as a bystander, although one with a sympathetic ear, Is there a chance that the huge increase in the number of cases is due to an increased awareness to the disease and/or a reclassification of other disorders/problems as autism?

This question is asked in good faith( I hope you know that)

[hearingimpared]

Here are some autism facts for you:


Blame or ignore what you want - but the facts are the rate is increasing dramatically and there needs to be a clear understanding of why. As the parent of 2 autistic children, I am past the "I want someone to blame" and into the "what the hell do I do now" stage. The cost of caring for a child (through adulthood) with autsim is 2 - 2.5 million.

Obviously much of that cost has to be picked up by the government. The strain this will end up causing on society and government is not only emotional but financial as well. The costs of therapy is staggering. (and try to find a daycare that is willing to deal with it) - I dare say it is definately more than most families can afford on their own.

This is not a problem that you can ignore and make go away. No one knows what causes Autism and anyone who says they do is lying (at least for now). I do fully understand parents at their wits end looking for something that will help get them through the day. For some it is looking for someone to blame, for others it is grasping at straws looking for anything that has the possilbity of making it easier to care for their children and making their childs struggle to understand the world less of a challenge.

As far as studies conducted by the immunization companies and councels. I let them hold as much weight with me as studies by the cigarette companies in the 1950's.

Personally I think it is a combination of things both genetic and environment based. knowing what those combinations may be though is a project for people much smarter than myself.

Michael

Michael I have one question for you. The numbers from 1954-1980 something, did they call something else, autism? Like did they think that some children had Down Syndrome or back then "mentally retarded," when in fact they had autism? This seems to be one of the conflicting problems. Back in 1954 through the 80s autistic children were misdiagnosed, that seems to be one of the reasons for the jump in autistic diagnosis.

Just to give you an example of how much better disorders are being diagnosed, a child with ADHD back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, & 80s were labeled either just bad kids or they had ants in their pants. Now with proper diagnosis, they are being diagnosed with ADHD so the incidents of ADHD has jumped by leaps and bounds.

I think the number children actually diagnosed with autism TODAY is probably not much more than the amount of children who had autism but it was called something else back when.

Is this actually possible?

[McLoki]

They smoked/shot/inhaled dope & gave their kid autism!

Get a life!

While many parents of kids with autism look for someone to blame - very few are willing to turn the critical eye on themselves. I would stop somewhat short though of blaming the parents (other than genetics) for causing the autism of their children.

I blame it on the Clinton's.

The Clinton connection, on the other hand, is something we should look closer at. (if it wasn't him directly, I am sure it was at least a few of his campaign contributers working together.)

Michael