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    What I can get OK subwoofer for HT around $250ish.
    I currently have PSW10 which is good for music but for movie I didn't hear its there. Its frequency response is 35Hz - 200Hz. Does it matter? My other speakers are RTi4, CSi3. Thanks for any input.

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    In $250 used range look at bigger Polk, JBL, Infinity. If you go ~$100 more, you should be able to pick up JBL studio S120PII (400 Watts RMS into 12" driver). I really liked that sub for movies.
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    Do you know how long it usually take when you ordered it? The frequency range is quite impressive.

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    Audiogon has a polk for $175-->

    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ubw&1185893517

    How "-ish" is your $250 limit? They also have a velodyne for $300 + shipping-->


    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ubw&1187823130

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKZ View Post
    Do you know how long it usually take when you ordered it? The frequency range is quite impressive.
    It's hit or miss. It can take a couple of days to a few weeks. I'd call or email them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperZ View Post
    In $250 used range look at bigger Polk, JBL, Infinity. If you go ~$100 more, you should be able to pick up JBL studio S120PII (400 Watts RMS into 12" driver). I really liked that sub for movies.
    It has very good reviews at amazon. Let me go listen and get back to you. Thank you.

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    I couldn't find that JBL at Circuitcity, Bestbuy or J&R. What others models can I go look at? Thanks.

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    What about JBL CVSUB50? Would it sounds the same as JBL S120PII? Thanks.

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    For that budget - your best bet would be DIY if you have any building skills at all. Other than that - I would just save a bit more / longer. It seems like around $350-$400 is where the decent home theater subs start.

    Polk is supposed to be releasing some really nice subs this year. (really, they are...) it may be worth waiting and see what they have come up with.

    (Matt apparently got tired of an entire forum dedicated to his speakers saying his subs sucked - now if he would just listen to us about the SDA's.....)

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    My Polk subs are great, always have been, they blow others away. Especially Velodyne. I would just buy another 250 and stack it or put it in another position in the room, whatever sounds best to you.

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    Polk Just needs to bite the Bullet and buy SVS. Then they would be KING!

    LoL "It sounded good"

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    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=300-752
    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...95-468=300-750
    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=295-464
    If you can build a box, or even easier yet go with sonotube. You will end up with a killer HT sub.

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    Okay..Okay.. Do you have any specific model in mind for around $350?
    The new model comes out around September like RTiA series? May be it worth waiting if they sell for the discounted price not MSRP.
    SVS? Yes, I know it is great subwoofer, most forum members' favorite here. But it is beyond my limit. The lowest 10" model costs $429+40 shipping. It doesn't even have crossover line level input. I would rather go 12" model which has full features if I can afford those.
    I wished I could build one by myself. Thanks for the info.

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    Face is giving you some good advice eD is the real deal for a no nonsense bottom dweller for a great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKZ View Post
    What I can get OK subwoofer for HT around $250ish.
    I currently have PSW10 which is good for music but for movie I didn't hear its there. Its frequency response is 35Hz - 200Hz. Does it matter? My other speakers are RTi4, CSi3. Thanks for any input.
    Hi MKZ,

    I'd actually look at the way you have your existing sub hooked up. I NEVER hook up a sub the "traditional" way and run speaker cables into the sub and out from the sub to the speakers .

    I have the PSW250 8 inch sub (with the phase switch set to reverse or 180) and for the size of this bugger, it rocks both on music and HT (hooked up to the SurroundBAR). I also have my PSW505 hooked up the same way to my RTi10s with the front speaker setting as large in my AVRs. Check this Polk link for more info:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/s...uestion_num=79

    Hope this helps.
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    Hi Face,

    I am currently live in apartment with hardwood floor, I am worried that the ED is the down-firing subwoofer so I don't want to get trouble with the people downstairs. would it be a problem? what do you think? I know I can't get that low frequency response unless spending $1000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post
    Face is giving you some good advice eD is the real deal for a no nonsense bottom dweller for a great price.
    I know Ron. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VXR8 View Post
    Hi MKZ,

    I'd actually look at the way you have your existing sub hooked up. I NEVER hook up a sub the "traditional" way and run speaker cables into the sub and out from the sub to the speakers .

    I have the PSW250 8 inch sub (with the phase switch set to reverse or 180) and for the size of this bugger, it rocks both on music and HT (hooked up to the SurroundBAR). I also have my PSW505 hooked up the same way to my RTi10s with the front speaker setting as large in my AVRs. Check this Polk link for more info:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/s...uestion_num=79

    Hope this helps.
    I connected the subwoofer with LR pre-amp out. Set the speaker config Front=Large and No Subwoofer on using Denon 1906AVR. At subwoofer, the crossover frequency is around 90~95Hz, phase 180 degree. I didn't connect the front speaker through sub since I want to bi-amp those. It sounds more cleaner to me compare to center channel. The subwoofer amp is 50W while receiver is supplying 85W/channel. I did tried the sub-out and it didn't sounds better than my current. Any idea? Thanks.

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    Where are you?
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKZ View Post
    I connected the subwoofer with LR pre-amp out. Set the speaker config Front=Large and No Subwoofer on using Denon 1906AVR. At subwoofer, the crossover frequency is around 90~95Hz, phase 180 degree. I didn't connect the front speaker through sub since I want to bi-amp those. It sounds more cleaner to me compare to center channel. The subwoofer amp is 50W while receiver is supplying 85W/channel. I did tried the sub-out and it didn't sounds better than my current. Any idea? Thanks.
    I believe with your current set up, you need the subwoofer set to yes. This maybe why you are not getting the sub in HT (or maybe music either).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben62670 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VXR8 View Post
    I believe with your current set up, you need the subwoofer set to yes. This maybe why you are not getting the sub in HT (or maybe music either).
    I didn't connect subwoofer through LFE sub-out, if I set to yes it will cut the frequency lower than 80Hz.

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    if you can get a velodyne cheap somewhere..

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    MKZ you have a PM!

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    Polkies,

    He has connected his sub in what is known around here as the Polk Way, its just what we call it for short. Basically, using the speaker level connections.

    MKZ,

    If you are still not getting any "good" bass, you should set the sub in your listening position and turn it on with something that has a nice bass track or a bass tone. Then crawl around your room along the walls and see where the bass sounds the best, once you determine this you know where to set your sub, this is an old reliable technique which does require a bit of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannon W. View Post
    MKZ you have a PM!

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    Thank you! I have checked and replied back to you.:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by reeltrouble1 View Post
    Polkies,

    He has connected his sub in what is known around here as the Polk Way, its just what we call it for short. Basically, using the speaker level connections.

    MKZ,

    If you are still not getting any "good" bass, you should set the sub in your listening position and turn it on with something that has a nice bass track or a bass tone. Then crawl around your room along the walls and see where the bass sounds the best, once you determine this you know where to set your sub, this is an old reliable technique which does require a bit of work.

    RT1
    I'll try that. I'm sitting 8ft away from front bookshelf speakers and woofer. I can even feel the bass in my chest from small speakers but not from woofer. I'm not playing loud, I like to get some bass response on low volume level. Thanks RT1.

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    It doesn't improved much after tweaking the sub and receiver setting. PSW10 is not as good as PSW250 like VXR8 and RT1 have. Those PSW250 are more like PSW303 RTi Series. Finally decided to get the sub this weekend after I have done enough homework. Here is the list of sub I am currently considering:
    JBL S120PII $320
    http://www.ubid.com/New_JBL_S120PII_...901667695.html
    http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/ass...micsubslab.pdf
    JBL CVSUB50 $200+
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3559&rd=1&rd=1
    Polk PSW404 $250
    http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-...&s=electronics
    Polk PSW505 $320
    http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3951153
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...er-4-2005.html
    Down-Firing Sub
    HSU STF-2 $380
    http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html
    Elemental Designs A2 - 300 $350
    http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...roducts_id=407
    Elemental Designs A2 - 250 $300
    http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...roducts_id=406
    Outlaw LFM-1 Compact $400
    http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmcompact.html

    I am worried about those down-firing sub since I lived in small apartment whose house rule has not to play loud music. I just don't want to get trouble. I need more opinions since I have to get the sub w/o knowing how it sounds and based on reviews and people suggestion. Hopefully some of you guys can help steer me in the right direction.
    I really appreciated all of you who had put efforts and time for my sub search.
    Thank you. :)
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