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    Default Target goes blu...

    Target has decided it will feature blu-ray dedicated players this holiday season:

    http://www.examiner.com/a-846455~AP_..._displays.html

    Another shoe drops after the blockbuster announcement. I wonder if this will turn into a trend as we approach the holidays. Toshiba has dropped the a2 price down to 'cheap chinese player' territory. Seems like there's no better time to get an hd-dvd player. But it doesn't seem to be influencing companies like blockbuster and target. Can't wait to see how things stack up this Christmas. Although the war has been great for hardware prices, I think mass adoption of one format might be better for the availability of movies.
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    From what I read in an article about the VHS versus Beta wars...The adult industry was the deciding factor...And will probably decide the outcome as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auto_pilot View Post
    From what I read in an article about the VHS versus Beta wars...The adult industry was the deciding factor...And will probably decide the outcome as well.
    I've read that the porn industry favors HD-DVD instead of Blu-ray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Tse View Post
    I've read that the porn industry favors HD-DVD instead of Blu-ray.
    I just read that too from a British AVR magazine the other day...Something about how blu-ray doesn't want that type of "entertainment" on their format...

    Funny thing is, is that my sister works for Sony Playstation...and she said that the porn industry is switching to blu-ray...so I'm not sure if my sister has the right info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auto_pilot View Post
    Something about how blu-ray doesn't want that type of "entertainment" on their format...

    Funny thing is, is that my sister works for Sony Playstation...and she said that the porn industry is switching to blu-ray...so I'm not sure if my sister has the right info.
    We want our Blu-movies!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Tse View Post
    We want our Blu-movies!!
    Ha ha...in all entertainment formats...no doubt.

    Now if I can only get my sister to get me a deeply discounted PS3:(
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    I was tempted to buy that Toshiba HD-A2,but i think I'll wait and see how things pan out. I've got a 12 year old Sony 53" that wont die so it really wont matter a ton to me until it goes anyway. Working on getting the audio end set up first.

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    Target featuring Blu Ray, huh? The HT Guys in their podcast think that its WalMart that will be the deciding factor in the format wars.

    They also think the drop in HD DVD price might be indication of "panic". It could simply be unloading of older technology since it is only 1080i, however.
    Do you hear that buzzing noise?

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    I would be surprised if they don't wind up with a stand-alone HD DVD player with the prices where they are at. They continue to sell the 360 HD DVD add-on as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireshoes View Post
    I would be surprised if they don't wind up with a stand-alone HD DVD player with the prices where they are at. They continue to sell the 360 HD DVD add-on as well.
    too true, too true. anyway, let's just see how expensive bluray players are going to be at that time. average joe shops at target and walmart, but they don't drive there to plop $500+ on a bluray player, that is, unless it's a playstation 3. and like hotshoes (fireshoes) said, i'm sure that target will offer more hd dvd players as well. didn't sony pay for that 'endcap'? maybe toshiba ought to pony up some profits and/or spend as investment for the same...

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    Porn will have zero effect on this war. Back in the VHS days the internet did not exist.

    What will decide the winner, studio support. It's all about the movies. Player prices will continue to fall and Blu playerd will be just as cheap as the HD-DVD players soon enough.
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    Excellent point.

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    Ron-P beat me to it. Times are different. Back then there wasn't the porn "options" that there are today.

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    yeah, the whole porn argument holds no merit. it was fun when hd dvd porn first came out, but it's been here awhile and @ $40+ a pop, they will not sell to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIZILL View Post
    yeah, the whole porn argument holds no merit. it was fun when hd dvd porn first came out, but it's been here awhile and @ $40+ a pop, they will not sell to the masses.
    Wow, how can they know how many times you pop? I think the new HD technology is better than I thought... :D

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    with disney going blu-ray I'm leaning towards that format to make it.
    i will wait before i jump.
    but i have been playing with a blu ray player on a 1080p projector at a house and it is making it hard not to buckle and buy a player
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    Disney, Fox, and Sony have always been blu-ray exclusive studios. It's Warner and Paramount that switched to format neutral when blu-ray players were released. I think Disney and Fox like the extra layers of copy protection available on blu-ray. Might also be why Spielberg appears to be blocking universal from releasing his titles and has come out with his first HD movie on blu-ray.

    http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...rs_Blu-ray/812

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    this war is still being set. manufacturers, retailers, studio's and consumers are starting to really pick sides. i think both formats thought they were going to deliver that huge striking blow (K.O.) to the other, but all attempts have been nothing more than a slap on the wrist. even with the most recent blows such as blockbuster and now target will be met by even more lowered pricing on hd dvd units. my fear is that neither will win. at least not for a great while. which forces you and me to become format neutral and have to purchase separate hardwares and softwares. BUT, it is helping drive down the costs to own either format. i may eventually buckle and hook up with some bluray action. but for now, my money is backing hd dvd.

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    Cheddar,

    Get off the high-horse. Read.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55531

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    Cheddar,

    Get off the high-horse. Read.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55531
    What are you talking about? I'm contributing to a thread I started a day before the thread Steve started above. Nothing I've said is untrue or a long post. There are a lot longer posts defending hd-dvd above. I think they've got every right to their opinion. Why so sensitive on the subject? It's just information. Let people decide what they want to do with it on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheddar View Post
    What are you talking about? I'm contributing to a thread I started a day before the thread Steve started above. Nothing I've said is untrue or a long post. There are a lot longer posts defending hd-dvd above. I think they've got every right to their opinion. Why so sensitive on the subject?
    I'm just tired of people posting crap claiming that HD DVD is dead in the water, and Target is BD exclusive? Why for all the spread of mis-information? People really need to stop listening to Sony, and look at reality.

    Sorry Cheddar, didn't mean anything in a bad way, just tired of all the fanboy crap.

    Why can't people just enjoy both or HD in general, and stop trying to justify/ feel better about their purchase?

    BTW, I own both formats and enjoy both of them.
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    No Problem, Target does sell both software formats in store. And online they sell the toshiba players. Which makes it all the more curious why they would choose to sell and feature sony's blu-ray player in their B&M stores this holiday season. It does show some definite momentum especially taken in the context of other events, but I never said Target was Blu-ray only...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    I'm just tired of people posting crap claiming that HD DVD is dead in the water, and Target is BD exclusive? Why for all the spread of mis-information? People really need to stop listening to Sony, and look at reality.

    Sorry Cheddar, didn't mean anything in a bad way, just tired of all the fanboy crap.

    Why can't people just enjoy both or HD in general, and stop trying to justify/ feel better about their purchase?

    BTW, I own both formats and enjoy both of them.
    HD-DVD is dead

    Sony vs Toshiba is all that one needs to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeC78 View Post
    I'm just tired of people posting crap claiming that HD DVD is dead in the water
    No offense Mike but i am REALLY sick and tired of many people on this forum for the last 9 months saying Blu-Ray was obsolete and had no chance in hell before it even came out and therefore after. Now that "they" and their "followers" see the tide changing, now they can be "grrrrrrrrrrrr" angry. That's Bull$hit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverti View Post
    HD-DVD is dead

    Sony vs Toshiba is all that one needs to say.
    Please explain this nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post
    No offense Mike but i am REALLY sick and tired of many people on this forum for the last 9 months saying Blu-Ray was obsolete and had no chance in hell before it even came out and therefore after. Now that "they" and their "followers" see the tide changing, now they can be "grrrrrrrrrrrr" angry. That's Bull$hit!

    My squirrelly RANT......
    Who has been going around saying that BR is dead? I keep hearing about how HD DVD is dead, I guess I've been missing those posts. I understand where you are comming from, all these claims are quit ridiculous.

    I just don't understand how people have feelings for a format?? It's a damn HD player for pete's sake, not your family!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron-P View Post
    Porn will have zero effect on this war. Back in the VHS days the internet did not exist.

    What will decide the winner, studio support. It's all about the movies. Player prices will continue to fall and Blu playerd will be just as cheap as the HD-DVD players soon enough.

    To quote dorokusai, excellent point.
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    Maybe you did no catch the beginning of the format war on this forum. But the majority of the forum said that Blu-Ray was the "BetaMax" and would never leave the ground. I have listed their reasons on other post. I even did research on betamax history to see what they saw.
    Same thing happened with the PS3, it was suppose to be a $600 paperweight and never break a million units. When just a year or two before many people were buying the Denon 2900 for the same price or more.
    PS3 and HD Front Projection, life is good. Too bad Blu-Ray and the PS3 are already obsolete.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post
    Maybe you did no catch the beginning of the format war on this forum. But the majority of the forum said that Blu-Ray was the "BetaMax" and would never leave the ground. I have listed their reasons on other post. I even did research on betamax history to see what they saw.
    Same thing happened with the PS3, it was suppose to be a $600 paperweight and never break a million units. When just a year or two before many people were buying the Denon 2900 for the same price or more.
    I forgot, I remember now.:o Thanks for enlightening me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheddar View Post
    Which makes it all the more curious why they would choose to sell and feature sony's blu-ray player in their B&M stores this holiday season.
    all that i've read points to the fact that sony paid for that 'end cap'.

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