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    Default Focal 807v Stereophile review............

    http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1107focus/



    It's amazing how different reviews are. I purchased these speakers last year based upon what they could do for great sound. However, when I brought them home and hooked them up into my system.............

    This would not be the review that I would give.

    "I was immediately struck, with every recording I tried, by the natural, detailed, organic, and holographic midrange of the Chorus 807V. All vocal recordings were stunning."
    Admitted, I was as well. This speaker beat out all of the lineup at the Tweeter I auditioned them at as well as some other shops. The end result beat out speakers that cost upwards of $4K. Holographic? I would dispute this.

    "The most captivating aspect of the Chorus 807V was its high-frequency performance. Its resolution of detail, speed, and extension of the highs told me that this speaker has one remarkable tweeter."
    Absolutely. Agreed. To a point.

    "On certain recordings, however, the extreme high frequencies seemed a bit emphasized. The sibilants of all closely miked female vocalists on familiar recordings—such as "Hey, Sweet Man," from Madeline' Peyroux's Dreamland (CD, Atlantic 82946-2)—seemed a bit more prominent than I remembered hearing them through other speakers. The Focal's tweeter was also very revealing of less than pure high-frequency content. In the title track of Hole's Celebrity Skin (CD, Geffen DGCD-25164), the high frequencies are a bit hashy and trashy. With most speakers I've tried, this has not deterred me from cranking up this tune to live rock-concert levels and dancing around the room. But the Chorus 807V so laid bare the recording's distorted, compressed highs that I ended up uninterested in hearing the rest of the disc."
    Revealing. Good synopses. From a year's worth of listening with different sources, amps, wires, cables I believe that it is not the tweeter. I believe that the tweeter is so revealing, that it brings out the best and the worst of recordings. This can be a godsend and it can be a curse.

    "But to really appreciate this ruthlessly revealing speaker, I had to trot out the highest-quality recordings I had. Then I was rewarded with staggering realism for the price. Timothy Seelig and the Turtle Creek Chorale's recording of John Rutter's Requiem (CD, Reference RR-57CD) bloomed with richly layered vocals, and a sense of ease and naturalness around the organ. The pedal notes were natural-sounding and seemed quite extended (how low do these puppies go, JA?), but never seemed overpowering or in my face."
    IMO, the better the recording, the better these puppies shine. Cymbals, chimes, subtle background noises, especially in the highest of high frequencies sound stellar....provided that they are at a proper listening level. No ear fatigue whatsoever and overall a pleasure to listen to. Violins, horns and simple plucks and slides of a guitar for example are just accurate as can be when comparing it to real sound.

    "I've played Kohjiba's Transmigration of the Soul, from the Santa Fe Chamber Music Festival's Festival (CD, Stereophile STPH007-2), many times, but with the Chorus 807V I was struck by the upper partials of Carol Wincenc's flute—I had never before heard this recording with so much air."
    I'm not one that is up to par with definitions of what I hear, but ambiance would be the word I would use to describe what I'm hearing. This, to me is one of the best attributes of this speaker. Sometimes both on-axis and off axis.

    "Concluding.............................
    The Focal Chorus 807V is an attractive and revealing loudspeaker of very low coloration and high versatility that gave me hours of enjoyment with a wide range of program material. I also feel that, at $995/pair, it is a superb value for the money. However, its tweeter is so extended in range and consequently so revealing that careful matching with other components and recordings is warranted. With the finest associated gear and recordings, the Chorus 807V achieved a level of performance that competed with much more expensive speakers. I commend Focal for trickling down the technology of their more expensive wares to such an affordable realm."
    That which is in bold and underlined [in the above passage only] expresses my feelings and observations as well.

    Now, to my extended review of these speakers.

    The one thing that brought my ear to these speakers was the TNV tweeter. The sweetness and naturalness of the end result as to what hits my ears was a pleasure, to say the least from the very moment I first had my ears on them. When I auditioned them, they were in a less than stellar spot to audition a pair of speakers and with the 14 or so speakers in the lineup [going up to $4.7K in that room], they came out on top for overall end result sound.

    I went to more shops, both high end and mid-level shops and I kept going back to these speakers. There was just something about the wholeness, completeness of the sound that made the reproduction a wonderful experience to listen too.

    Now to my final evaluation of these speakers when I brought them home and listened to them in my own listening room and got my ears on them with what I had.................

    Since I had been using floor standers all my life, this was my first experience with a bookshelf speaker and from what I heard with this speaker stacked up to the other front runners I had recently heard, I felt that I would be pleased. Was I? Absolutely not.

    For me, going from a FS to a BS speaker was like taking the midrange and throwing it out the window. I was running the old FS with a sub [PA PSW1000] to augment the lower frequencies and when I hooked up the sub into the mix, the midrange was definitely a strain to listen too. You had to search for it as if it wasn't there. So, I took the sub back out of the loop.

    Better sound, but definitely not what I was used to and though the sound was accurate and pleasing, it was as if the end result was to omit the lowest of frequencies to achieve this sound. To me, omitting the lowest of frequencies is not a true representation of what real sound should be like. Real sound is real sound. What I believe made the sound better in the auditioning room was so many speakers side by side creating a "different" sound field and mid-bass and bass response for these speakers.

    A little preface.......

    Since I knew that these were bookshelves, I purchased a stand that seemed to weigh in at about 170lbs each. I forget now how much they were, but I know that they weren't cheap. Over 5+ bills. Spikes on the bottom, options of spikes on the top and at the time I had plenty of tweaks to make the sound the best that it could be. Nothing I could do could get these speakers to sound like what I had. It seemed that I had treble, and a complete omission of any true bass whatsoever. That is, compared to what I was used to. The bass is refined and under the right amplification can be quite nice.....just not what I was used too.

    So, to conclude my evaluation. These speakers are a godsend if you like the highest of upper frequencies broadcast with realism [You have to experience, don't question] and ambiance that is a wonderful experience without ear fatigue at proper listening levels and better than average recordings added with a bookshelf type sound and not a full spectrum loudspeaker, then this speaker should be one that should be on your list of speakers to try out.

    My only gripe is that the imaging [which is better than an estimated 80% of speakers out there IMO] is not up to par. Advances with this can be found in other tweeters and technology from what I have heard, but with the expense of the completeness of the entire spectrum of the highest of frequencies.

    Overall, a nice bookshelf, well defined, articulate, excellent ambiance, not so critical "sweet spot" and nice reproduction of music if you are not looking to reproduce the full spectrum of frequencies which would be ideal in an apartment or smaller room setting. If you were to purchase a speaker that wasn't a full range speaker, yet didn't want to upgrade the speaker for years to come, this would be the one. If I didn't require a full range sound, I feel that this would be a speaker that would be a keeper for a long, long time.
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    Very nice review. Makes me wanna hear what you're talking about.
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    Nice write up.

    I have been looking at bookshelf speakers but I never buy any just because of what you wrote. I don't use a sub for 2 - channel listening and I am afraid if I go with a book shelf speaker there would be something missing in the music... I don't really need a bookshelf speaker but I see a lot of people using them in there dedicated 2 channel systems and it always makes me wonder if they have something better to offer.

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    Excellent write up & review. I experienced pretty much the same as you did in auditioning a ton of FS & BS speakers. Nothing really tickled my fancy enough to make me open up my wallet. That was until I heard the AAD 2001 monitors...talk about being impressed!!. I kept going back quite a few times (same as you did) to make sure I was hearing what I was hearing.

    I had the same thoughts as you about hearing the same sound once I got them home...I lucked out, they sounded better than in the store. What a relief. It's a shame you were disappointed in the Focal's performance once you got them home.

    As far as being disappointed going to a BS after having FS (I had Energy C9's before) which are an excellent speaker. There really wasn't any contest, the AAD's simply out performed them in every aspect & then some.

    To this day I've yet to hear anyting that might make me give these guys up. And that includes FS speakers. So yes a BS can compete with a FS & even outperform a whole lot of them as far as I'm concerned, in all aspects, base, midrange, imagine, soundstaging & hi's. The right BS will put all your fears to rest.
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    Further observations................

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58397
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    My neighbor has the floorstanders for this speaker. The upper frequencies on these speakers are a pure delight. I almost caught upgraditis over there but an extended listening session at home brought me back to my comfortable Polk sound.
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    Focal clarity is very very nice. Considering bookeshelves....

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    Quote Originally Posted by halenhoang View Post
    Focal clarity is very very nice. Considering bookeshelves....
    Huh???? You lost me on this one! That's one of the strong points of a good bookshelf speaker vs a floorstander. More simplistic in design, they excel in that area.
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    I like focal a lot,
    last year I had a pair of bookshelves 705s I think

    they were nice for everything I throw to them. If I had the money, I think I'd buy focal 816V floorstanders, I think they are amazing speakers. Clear sound, holographic thats true, upper midbass and treble is sooo clean.

    I always compare Polk sound to Focal, and energy RC to B&W to my customer hehe knowing that polk and energy cost much less and give stellar results.

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    For me, going from a FS to a BS speaker was like taking the midrange and throwing it out the window. I was running the old FS with a sub [PA PSW1000] to augment the lower frequencies and when I hooked up the sub into the mix, the midrange was definitely a strain to listen too. You had to search for it as if it wasn't there. So, I took the sub back out of the loop.

    Better sound, but definitely not what I was used to and though the sound was accurate and pleasing, it was as if the end result was to omit the lowest of frequencies to achieve this sound. To me, omitting the lowest of frequencies is not a true representation of what real sound should be like.
    Lack of midrange in a tiny box is one reason why I am not auditioning any bookshelf speakers for my bedroom rig which I plan to purchase soon. When the entire midrange plus low end has to be handled by ONE speaker, well, something is going to be a bit lacking across the frequency spectrum.

    So I've decided to go with really skinny floorstanders, considering the Polk Monitor 60s, and add a very small sub underneath one of them. They are only 36 inches tall and about 7 inches wide, so should go nicely on either side of my desk. Add to that a 10 inch sub and a HK3485, and my bedroom should be full of bass, midrange, and highs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rru2s View Post
    Lack of midrange in a tiny box is one reason why I am not auditioning any bookshelf speakers for my bedroom rig which I plan to purchase soon. When the entire midrange plus low end has to be handled by ONE speaker, well, something is going to be a bit lacking across the frequency spectrum.

    So I've decided to go with really skinny floorstanders, considering the Polk Monitor 60s, and add a very small sub underneath one of them. They are only 36 inches tall and about 7 inches wide, so should go nicely on either side of my desk. Add to that a 10 inch sub and a HK3485, and my bedroom should be full of bass, midrange, and highs.
    I take it you've never heard the Focal 807v or the Totem Rainmaker...

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    I am currently transitioning from FS's to BS's. Placement is everything when it comes to the midrange. The first positioning I tried had practically zero and I was a little concerned. But I've found that it is definitely there.

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    Just an update. These speakers sound incredible playing "Olympic Fanfare" with a little ol' 8 watt tube amp. A Radii tube amp to be specific. For those that know my rig, I prefer to cut everything else off but the source, the amp and the Focal's. In terms of accuracy of the reproduction, I would rate it as close to stellar with this song. When they hit the Tympani midway through the song, these speakers absolutely nail the realism department. Again, it won't rock the room with mind blowing reverberation but what it does with this song is pretty damn nice. Not many speakers that I have played this song on can nail this song right. With the combo just mentioned, it's like this song was made for this rig to accurately reproduce.
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    Really? You mean you are actually enjoying the listening experience with a measly EIGHT watts?

    At least they aren't SDA's, the 250wpc minimum crowd would be on you like the lynch mob.

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    I've been a fan of Focal for years, but have not heard any in a long time. Ten years ago or so, when I considered getting a pair, I decided to try some Cabasse bookshelf speakers instead (one of the main competitors for Focal in Europe, but very hard to find over here, and they have since been bought by Canon, of all things). I was very impressed, using some entry level NAD gear. They too were what I would consider very revealing of mediocre recordings, and could even become noisy to listen to with some tracks (listening fatigue). They had huge amounts of power, even in a very large room with very high ceilings.

    I ended up leaving the Cabasse speakers in the care of a good friend (for reasons I will not go into), but I would love to get my hands on a couple of Cabasse or Focal to see what I would think about them now. Reading your comments has made me a bit nostalgic for Focal and/or Cabasse!

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    I also dig these speakes alot. Nice review by the way.

    Whats great about Focal is that they sound fantastic powered by a receiver. You can give them just about anything and they sound great. Step up your electronics and they get better. The clarity is awesome. Very clear and detailed.

    The only thing I don't like about there line is the Gloss black finish and wood side panels. I didn't really like that about the Lsi's and I don't care for it here. I perfer the all wood look. But looks really don't matter much when they perform as well as they do.

    There floor standing speakers are Incredible. If I didn't have my speakers I own now, I would already own a full Focal system. Excellent stuff.

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    That is a great price, especially with what he is including.

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    I really dig them. Heard them powered by a 300B tube amp. The high frequencies are superb. They did lack bass but I felt they were nicely balanced for whatever frequencies they played. If they warmed up the mid section, the tweeters would probably stand out too much.
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    Congrats,very nice speakers.
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    I heard those as well, auditioned them against some Focal floorstanders. The Profile 918 beat them...but they're a larger speaker that images like crazy! Throws up a wall of sound! Focal inverted dome aluminum/mag alloy very very very good! I found the bookshelf speakers you mention good but not like the Profiles! The 918 was the total package, highs, mids, lows. The bookshelfs couldn't match that. And, yes, I'd describe these as 'holographic', run off a Pioneer Elite integrated amp and Elite SACD player. The Chorus, still a very good bookshelf at its price point though, well worth the money!

    Enjoy....I'd buy some Focals in a heartbeat if I had several thousand dollars!

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    Can somebody explain the advantage of inverting the dome on the tweeters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by organ View Post
    Can somebody explain the advantage of inverting the dome on the tweeters?
    Here is a quick synopsis:

    http://www.audioplusservices.com/profile/technology.htm
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    Thanks for the link. Now I get it.
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    I bought a pair of 807v's when Sound Advice was about to close their doors for 380 dollars, with the intention of selling them. They had been sitting in a closet for 9 months until I hooked them up to an old Pioneer SX3700. Should have sold them before I listened to them. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieB View Post
    I bought a pair of 807v's when Sound Advice was about to close their doors for 380 dollars, with the intention of selling them. They had been sitting in a closet for 9 months until I hooked them up to an old Pioneer SX3700. Should have sold them before I listened to them. :)
    Yup! I'm not surprised, and I'm trying to resist the temptation myself! Well done, though, and what a bargain!

    Thanks for sharing, BTW.

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    I had the Focal 826V and must say the hi frequencies were smooth like glass, I feel the Focal TNV and the Polk LS series dynamic balance tweeter are very similiar with the edge going to the Focals.

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    These speakers are 92 dB efficient and probably sound pretty good with a small tube amp. Bottom end is 50 Hz +/- 3 dB. For $300 - $400 they sound like a pretty good deal. Worth giving a listen for near field monitors.
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    3 to $400? Worthy of any audiophile's room. Dang.

    They performed the best with the Radii tube amp. 8 watts.
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    I'd love to hear them with what I have now.........
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