Monster 2.4's

[Apex]

I recently bought some 2.4's on Ebay.i haven't recieved them yet.I was wondering,what do i have to look forward too?.
Since i haven't heard these cables in person.

I'm just soo excited,i can't wait to get em.:D

Thanks
Justin

[mantis]

Hope you got a good deal.

[Apex]

You think $350.00 is a good enough deal??

[yoeddy]

Yes...let me know what you think of them and what differences you hear, as I am considering them as well. :)

[Apex]

Will do

[mantis]

Realism and truth come to mind when listening to those cables.I'd upgrade to them over my M1.4s as the are clearer and deeper sounding.

[RuSsMaN]

Dan, why are the cables labeled 'high pass' on the bottom posts?

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

The label means nothing.The M1.4s biwires uses the same exact 4 conductors.I like the way the wire lays with the low pass hooked up to the tweeter side and visa vera.
I had them hook up according to the label years ago,different speakers,had banana ends on them.
It doesn't matter which way.

[TroyD]

That seems an odd response for a couple reasons.

1. Historically, you have been a big proponent of all of Monster's propoganda so I find it odd that you would dismiss it summarily.

2. Why have a High Pass wire at all? If they are exactly the same why label them?


I don't intend this as a knock on Dan as I have my doubts about there being any difference, my point is that I think a LOT of Monster's propoganda is BS. It just adds to my general skepticism of high dollar wire

BDT

[mantis]

Originally posted by TroyD
That seems an odd response for a couple reasons.

1. Historically, you have been a big proponent of all of Monster's propoganda so I find it odd that you would dismiss it summarily.

2. Why have a High Pass wire at all? If they are exactly the same why label them?


I don't intend this as a knock on Dan as I have my doubts about there being any difference, my point is that I think a LOT of Monster's propoganda is BS. It just adds to my general skepticism of high dollar wire

BDT

Troy Troy Troy,
Ok....LOL to start out with.The little lable helps you hook up the wires correctly.Giving positive and negitive to each SET of binding posts.One say's high pass and one says low pass.The label doesn't tell the story of how good or how phony this cable is.This set of wires retails for 300.00.And my friend there is more reasons then just a label.This wire is 2nd from top of the line M series.The sound quality is awesome for the money.Serious listeners tend to pay attention to detail.Pointing out the low pass label is a very good honest question.Now if the conductors where designed for there duties as low and high,then wiring them this way wouldn't yield max performance out of the wire.
I know that all conductors are exactly the same as I have ran bulk M1.4s wire.It's some awesome sounding wire.
I have conducted a sootout with these wires against Home Depot 12x2 gauge wire.The results where unbelievable.The Home Depot wire seem to suffacate the Lsi15's to the point they didn't sound like thereselves.The tweeter became pronounced and a slight edge was added to the overall sound quality.I even made my own jumpers out of the 12 guage wire.I still have this horrible sounding wire on my back porch.I'll even snap you a pic.It's the real nice HD wire with the copper side and the metal whatever it is side.

[RuSsMaN]

On a 4 conductor, bi-wire cable, there is no need for labeling, I think thats the point here.

Why are they labeled? On a bi-wire cable, it doesnt matter which - neg wire and which + pos wire is hooked to which post, as long as polarity is straight.

By your theory, which may indeed be correct, you could hook the high pass NEG cable to the upper NEG post, and high pass POS cable to the lower POS post, and so forth.

Why label them? Your opinion on said wire, or HD wire for that matter is not the issue, it has been dully noted. The issue is why does Monster label the wires, if it doesn't matter?

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

Hd fellas,

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Ahhhh i c.....my b......wrong wire - eh..i like that wire...
and mantis....thats tinned copper ;)

[mantis]

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
On a 4 conductor, bi-wire cable, there is no need for labeling, I think thats the point here.

Why are they labeled? On a bi-wire cable, it doesnt matter which - neg wire and which + pos wire is hooked to which post, as long as polarity is straight.

By your theory, which may indeed be correct, you could hook the high pass NEG cable to the upper NEG post, and high pass POS cable to the lower POS post, and so forth.

Why label them? Your opinion on said wire, or HD wire for that matter is not the issue, it has been dully noted. The issue is why does Monster label the wires, if it doesn't matter?

Cheers,
Rooster

I really don't know the answer to your question as 2 why they put the labels on them.Dress it up?Make it pretty?I really don't have a tech answer for yeah.
The HD wire is that I have some,pic above for demoing only.Awhile back alot of people in here thought it was crazy to spend alot of money on wire.I have heard over the years,better wire sounds better just to be general.A job I did where a customer has an electrician wire his theater with HD wire,there was some left over,I asked if I could have the scraps,they where going to go in the trash,so I took them home for some wire shootouts.The HD wire is now turning green and it's not even 5 months old.Sound quality is horrible when compared to Monster bulk 14 guage and gets destroyed when compared to the M1.4s.

[RuSsMaN]

Ok, I guess you don't want to answer the question, but you really don't have to, sounds like something the manufacturer needs to address. I'll talk to Monster cs tomorrow and get thier take on it.

Nice pic of standard wire, I don't see any 'green', or have I just gone colorblind? ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

My pic kinda sucks,
well I'm no photographer but if you look at the silver side,inside the clear jacket,it's turning green.
Russ it's not that I don't want to answer it,I just don't have a tech answer.It makes no sence to me.It needs not to be there.But it is.Post back what Monster tells you.This should be good.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

Mantis- the SILVER side is a cheap tinned plated copper, this goes into the black terminal. The copper goes into the red. The tin is cheap and does oxidate early. Nothing said it wouldn't. I didn't hear you say anything about the copper oxidating, now did I?

[mantis]

The copper side didn't turn green,yes the silver side did.

[TroyD]

M2.4s Biwire features a sophisticated combination of multiple-gauge wire networks to optimize frequency and phase response

I got this from the Monster website. Essentially this tells me that they have 'optimized' certain condutors for certain frequencies. So, that would lead me to think that Monster wants you to think that there is a difference. If there is no difference, than what Monster said is a load of fertilizer. If THAT is the case, sorta makes you wonder what else is a load of fertilizer.

Dan, Dan, Dan,

Talk to me as condescendingly as you like but something isn't adding up here. I'm not debating that Monster sounds better than HD (we've been through that) what I am saying is that Monster is trying to sell a bill of goods that is misleading at best. Dishonest is a better term, I think. It would also make one wonder what else they are full of BS on as well. How much it sells for and where it falls in the product line isn't the issue. That's just saying that if it costs more, well, it MUST be better. As you know, I don't believe that for a second.

My point here is that all along, I've thought that a lot of the propoganda surrounding wire is largely unsubstantiated non-sense and this just furthers that sentiment to me.

BDT

[Zero]

I have personally always felt speaker wire marketing was very simular to bose, being that you have over-exagurated claims and an enormous (1000 percent?) mark-up price.

Only difference is, wire makes a difference......

Regardless, I dont care for the shrued marketing tactics and prices.


Sean

[Apex]

Well guys,I have 14g monster wire.

Once i get these in i'll compare the 2.4s to regular 14g,and give you my honset opinion.

[Zero]

Apex,

You should notice a difference, I fairly big improvement might I add.

I did an A and B comparison between MIT terminator 4's and typical 16 gauge wire, no contest... the MIT owned it.

The Z2 bi-wires dominated the MIT'.s Considering the M2.4's are a few levels above the Z2, it should be....once again,, no contest.

You should be happy with the purchase.

[RuSsMaN]

Originally posted by ATCVenom

The Z2 bi-wires dominated the MIT'.s Considering the M2.4's are a few levels above the Z2, it should be....once again,, no contest.

A Bi-wire cable, against a regular 2 conductor? It better have 'dominated'. ;)

[Zero]

Russ,

It would be interesting to take the Sigma Retro's for a spin. They are only two conductor wire's..... Anyone got a pair they wish to donate?

[mantis]

M2.4s Biwire features a sophisticated combination of multiple-gauge wire networks to optimize frequency and phase response

Troy Troy Troy,
this isn't by set of conductors,it's in the conductor itself.If you cut one open,inside are multigauge wires,twisted counter clockwise,a centercore tube.Theres alot going on inside.There not lieing with this statement.
All 4 conductors are made the same way.If you buy M1.2s wire,it's the same as the M1.4s wire only less conductors.2 instead of 4.2 wire .......4 wire.
I don't know why you jump to say hey there full of ****.Whatever there reasons for building there wires the way they do,label them or not, they sound really good.I don't really care about build and labels,I care about sound quality.If it sounds good,I'm in.If the Home Depot wire sounded good,and it didn't turn green,I'd use it.I don't care who made it,It's gotta sound good,thats all.Companies can go on and on about networks and twisted this way for this reason,shielding and what kind of dielectric they use.It means nothing if the wire can't perform.

[TroyD]

Simple fact is, and my point is, if they label it as such then they want you to believe there is a difference. If there isn't, it's dishonest. Otherwise, there is no need to label.

Like I said, it may be no big deal but it serves to reinforce my skepticism. I will bet that if I went to Tweeter tomorrow and bought this pair of cables that if I asked the salesman 'why does this pair say High Pass' that I'll be told that they are optimized for the high frequencies. Anybody want to bet?

BDT

[Zero]

*takes off the reasonable tactfull hat*

Good Lord,

I have not taken the time to read Monsters advertisement nor do I feel compelled to. If they claim that each pass is created to optimize performance for that frequency, yeah, I am skeptic too. I dislike decetefull claims as much as the next guy...

Could it also be, Monster recognizes how relatively lax this culture has become, and how marketable "conviencence" is? Perhaps labeling high and low pass is to do nothing more than to serve as an easy means to hook up and install the cables.

Perhaps its both?

Does it matter? No. You either believe it or not, you either give a **** or not, you either buy the cables, or you dont.

Black and white, fellas.

[TroyD]

I don't buy that it's to simplify the connection. That's why you have the positive cables one color and the negative the other. That dog just doesn't hunt.

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

How's that hand terminated 16/2 lamp cord I sent you sound?

If it's the same 4 conductors, then it doesn't matter, of course as long as polarity is observed. I'll email monster tomorrow for thier take, then we can put this post to bed.

The more I think about it, there are a lot of dumb, well, uniformed consumers. I can see labling HIGH and LOW pass on the cables, saving a TON of tech support emails and phone calls. BUT then again, I hope those same uniformed consumers aren't buying $300 (or whatever) cables, without having a basic understanding of the design.

Cheers,
Russ

[Zero]

Kill two birds with one stone, thats all Im saying.....