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    Just ordered Solen caps and Mundorf resistors from Vr3 to mod my 2Bs. I have never used either product. Anyone have experience with either (both)?
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    You will be very happy purchasing from Vr3...so glad I did the upgrade on my LSi9s

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    Thanks, good to know. So, you are using Solen and Mundorf on your 9s?
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    Mine are clarity....I will leave it up to Trey which are better....there is no question the upgrade is worth it. I am using my LSI9s as my main for HT and the sound is just so realistic to me, much better than before.

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    Why do people always ask about products AFTER they order them.

    First off, there are atleast 100 posts about this question already

    Second, Solen are better than electrolytics but they aren't the best choice for high pass (tweeter) circuits. Clarity Cap would have been a better choice at that price point. Solens are fine for low pass.

    But that doesn't really matter since you already bought them.

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    Should have gone with Sonicap and Mills. Seriously.
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    What he said........but that would have been a lot more money.

    At your price point Clarity would have been better than Solen, with Sonicap being the "best" choice without going crazy $$$.

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    Do have a simular question (however i have not purchased yet). Did my 5jr+'s with clairity(SA) caps (and love them) i will start buying caps for my RTA12c's in january. Will go no less than the clairity sa's but figure it will have at least 600.00 in parts by the time i do the risistors and the wire, rdo 198 and gold termimators and 5 way binding posts ect. Just woundering if it is worth looking at sonicaps or better with that budget? And is there an audibal diff by going beyound the clairity SA and what the realstic cost increase might be? As it is i will spread the cost over a couple of checks so i can go at least as far as the clairity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heiney9 View Post
    Why do people always ask about products AFTER they order them.

    First off, there are atleast 100 posts about this question already

    Second, Solen are better than electrolytics but they aren't the best choice for high pass (tweeter) circuits. Clarity Cap would have been a better choice at that price point. Solens are fine for low pass.

    But that doesn't really matter since you already bought them.

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    Well, first of all, I trust Vr3s judgement in recommending caps. Just wanted to know what kind of "change" people have noticed using these caps and resistors. Second, you have no idea what I paid for the transaction. And third? well....let's just keep it civil. Thanks for pointing out the flaws in what is supposed to be a fun activity.
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    i will start buying caps for my RTA12c's in january. Will go no less than the clairity sa's but figure it will have at least 600.00 in parts by the time i do the risistors and the wire, rdo 198
    RTA12's do not use RD0198-1 tweeters.
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    The RDO198 cant be upgraded into the 12c's even with a cap change???
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    Well, first of all, I trust Vr3s judgement in recommending caps.
    He should have never recommended Solens.

    Just wanted to know what kind of "change" people have noticed using these caps and resistors.
    Well you asked, "Anyone have experience with either (both)?" not what kind of change, so we're answering your original question. As for what to expect from a crossover upgrade on 2B's, the forum is full of those threads, including those that suggest not using Solen caps and many more that suggest doing the TL upgrade.

    Second, you have no idea what I paid for the transaction.
    We all know what those products cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundfreak1 View Post
    The RDO198 cant be upgraded into the 12c's even with a cap change???
    Simply changing a cap without solid evidence of what the result will be is never a good idea. Has anyone here done this before?
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    Id sware i read in one of the mod threads this can and has been done. Could be wrong and will double ck before attempting.however how about the other ?'s in my reply.
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    Just woundering if it is worth looking at sonicaps or better with that budget?
    Of course, but rest assured using Clarity SA's will be a major step up from the stock caps.

    And is there an audibal diff by going beyound the clairity SA and what the realstic cost increase might be?
    Sure, every brand has a different flavor and even with the same brand the flavor changes as you move up or down the line. You can check prices yourself.
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    I looked, but there isn't a schematic listed for the RTA12C's. Looking at the RTA12B's I can tell you it would take more than a single cap change.

    There are crossover modeling programs available that would help point you in the right direction.
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    I have the rdo 194 in there now but if can i want the 198 just cause! But will put my read on. Just dont know the diff propertys of the sonicaps vs the clarity. If i am going to put that much in the 12c's , dont want them to be lacking over just a few $$ differance.
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    [QUOTE=F1nut;1827659]He should have never recommended Solens.



    Well you asked, "Anyone have experience with either (both)?" not what kind of change, so we're answering your original question. As for what to expect from a crossover upgrade on 2B's, the forum is full of those threads, including those that suggest not using Solen caps and many more that suggest doing the TL upgrade.

    The "TL" upgrade is stupid expensive. I have the sinking feeling that no one here could tell the difference between a Bennic cap and a Clarity cap when put to the test.
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    The "TL" upgrade is stupid expensive.
    You don't know what you're talking about. On your 2B's all that is required is an additional cap and changing the tweeters resulting in a vastly improved speaker.

    I have the sinking feeling that no one here could tell the difference between a Bennic cap and a Clarity cap when put to the test.
    You'd be wrong, very wrong.

    I'm not sure why you have an attitude about this. With all due respect to Trey, there are many folks here that have a lot more experience with these things than he does. It would behoove you to listen to them.
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    Alright, then it just a matter of opinion. like opinions on sound quality of speakers, I assume the same applies to caps and any other upgrade applications. lets not crazy on our opinions or we will be politicians! :)
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    The "TL" upgrade is stupid expensive.
    Upon reflection of your comment above and knowing Trey, I have to think you gave him a budget that Solen fit into because I can't see him recommending them otherwise.
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    although no budget was mentioned, i did balk at the TL upgrade quote. The price was less than 80 bucks shipped for the caps and resistors, so if there is ANY improvement is SQ, it will be worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallies View Post
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    You'd do better to get that room in order before anything else. If you need suggestions, just ask.
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    The price was less than 80 bucks shipped for the caps and resistors
    All I can say is to that is you get what you pay for.

    so if there is ANY improvement is SQ, it will be worth it.
    Oh, there will be an improvement, just not what it could be, but we all start somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1nut View Post
    You'd do better to get that room in order before anything else. If you need suggestions, just ask.
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    For starters, get a proper rack, stand, table, whatever for you gear. Get whatever piece of gear that is on top of the right speaker off of it. Is that the only wall you can put the speakers on in that room? If so, that sucks, but we'll roll with it. Either get wall to wall carpet or a very large area rug to cover that hardwood floor. Get rid of that video game on the left side, which has to cause horrible reflection issues. Cover those windows with heavy drapes. Spike those speakers.

    What's on the side of the room not in the picture? What size is the room?
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    Yeah it's reflects superbly off the Championship Sprint and right out the back door to the deck. I like the wood although opening the windows does give you a little treble break not that I need that much of a break. whatver smallies out. Keystone Ice awaits
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