Thanks to Mantis ( :D) I was led down the Totem path. My first intention was to pick up some in ceiling surrounds that would go well with my Von Schweikert front stage but after listening to a Totem set up I am really tempted to do the whole shebang Totem. Forests and a Signature 1 center. Does anyone else have a Totem HT? Am I insane to consider replacing my Von Schweikerts altogether? I've never really been happy with the VS LCR 15 center but the VR 4 Jrs are pretty damn special.